am i playing too tight? 1st level
 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

SB (t1480)
BB (t1320)
UTG (t1510)
UTG+1 (t1670)
Hero (t1600)
MP2 (t1570)
MP3 (t1470)
CO (t1470)
Button (t1390)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t60</font>, Hero calls t60, MP2 calls t60, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls t40.

Flop: (t250) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets t260</font>, Hero folds,

Re: am i playing too tight? 1st level
 

What are the stakes?

I think I shove over.
Villain almost never has QQ+ or a set here IMO.

Re: am i playing too tight? 1st level
 

$5 buy in 9pm nightly

Re: am i playing too tight? 1st level
 

Why did you fold?

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At these stakes UTG +1 has a very large range, most of which you are crushing, I'd push. If I'm wrong tough.

Re: am i playing too tight? 1st level
 

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Villain almost never has QQ+ or a set here IMO.

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I don't understand why you exclude this from villains range!?

I think for exactly these holdings his play is reasonable.

If we set his preflop raising range from early position to 88+,AJ+,KQ and he bets after the flop into 3 opponents we can devide it into two parts:

1.) We beat: TT

2.) We are beaten by: 88,99,QQ,KK,AA

(3.) we can pretty much exclude: AQ,AK,KQ - as the bet size is too large for a c-bet and betting into 3 opponents isn't really reasonable without a hand)

So I would say this is a fold unless I have some read, that his preflop range is wider than that.

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This is early in the trny, and its a 5$. UTG+1 range is any PP, IMO.
88-99 is never overbetting this flop like that in these stakes and QQ+ doesn't make sense either.

I think this is a bet that doesn't want to get called.

Re: am i playing too tight? 1st level
 

imho utg+1 cant raise with small PP.
Villain has TT at least, and this is the only one, which is good for U.
on the other hand this is not a probe or C-bet, he want to finish here. if he has set, this would be foolish play. QQ-AA could have fear the draw, like JT.
this play is best for TT, i think this is, what he had.

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88-99 is never overbetting this flop like

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this is a usual pot-size bet on the flop into 3 opponents - exactly what I would do if i play a set or QQ+

Re: am i playing too tight? 1st level
 

why would you put a PSB on this flop with a set?

Re: am i playing too tight? 1st level
 

isnt it too much if u have a set or overpair?

Re: am i playing too tight? 1st level
 

its the early stages where the players well um they suk.so his big bet could be alot of things. i interpreted this big bet as strength even though i knew i MAY be ahead. usha i believe said he didnt want a call. correct i guess bc he had ace 9 suited(horrid) and the guy behind me took all his chips bc he had qq and had us both beat!

Re: am i playing too tight? 1st level
 

Raise preflop. Set mining with JJ is very weak.

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Raise preflop. Set mining with JJ is very weak.

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playing a big pot against an ep raiser w jj in early going is a mistake in my opinion. will i know if he repops if its ak or qq kk aa? even if he calls it could be qq or aqs. this is a cash game time of the tourney and in a cash game im not repopping jj w several players to act against an ep raiser who ive only played 3 hands against.

Re: am i playing too tight? 1st level
 

wow, your play here explains a lot

also sometimes when i see your screenname i read it as "ham [censored]" and i'm like "WTF, that's racialist!"

Re: am i playing too tight? 1st level
 

this is a great hand to either get a big stack or go broke.

either result is better than folding.

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why would you put a PSB on this flop with a set?

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Because we want to extract the most value and because at this level, people don't mind calling PSB's with weak holdings and draws.

Onto the hand. Barring reads, I'd definitely call and give him a chance to hang himself. If you shove you'll only get called by hands that beat you. Overpairs are ze nuts this early in a $5 donkament and I'd never fold JJ here.

Re: am i playing too tight? 1st level
 

I play these low stakes MTTs a lot. The first hour is definitely the time to get ahead as the field is about 75% fish who will stack off with top pair no kicker/any pocket pair/flush draw/nothing at all. After that time you will be left with a lot of people who are at least reasonably good, so trying to get 6000+ by end of first hour is the goal I usually go for.

That being said I would reraise this pre flop to 180-210. Depending on how many call I would bet 350-500 on the flop, given those community cards. If I was still facing resistance then I would probably slow down on the turn, and still have 800-900, something you can easily recover from this early.

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wow, your play here explains a lot

also sometimes when i see your screenname i read it as "ham [censored]" and i'm like "WTF, that's racialist!"

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That essentially means that you are racialist :-O.

Ham - It's a $5 tourney, why are you respecting your opponents so much? Also, a little math here helps if you are really that unsure. This bet is, more than anything else, a "protector" bet, meaning, your opponent could very well have 77, 1010 (which he goes AI with), A9 (also might go AI with it). Or it's a "I don't know what to do with AK/AQ" bet, another good reason to AI.

Against a range of hands he goes AI with, A9, 1010+, 88, 99, 44, you are 40/60. With 520 in the pot, plus FE you have against AK/AQ/77, this looks like an easy push. If you were against a better opponent who doesn't stack off with 1010 or A9 here (or a LAG who will fire again with AK/AQ), you can just call. But, here, I think pushing is best.

Barry

Re: am i playing too tight? 1st level
 

By the way Ham how did the rest of the betting go? Did the guy with QQ just move in right there on the flop?

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If you shove you'll only get called by hands that beat you.

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This is most assuredly not the case.

Jarid

Re: am i playing too tight? 1st level
 

Ham, you need to be getting it in here IMO.

Re: am i playing too tight? 1st level
 

apparently you never play the micros on ps

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The micro/low MTTs on Stars were exactly what my response was tailored towards.

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88-99 is never overbetting this flop like that in these stakes and QQ+ doesn't make sense either.

I think this is a bet that doesn't want to get called.

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I read this all over the place and it's wrong. They be making overbets in these levels like crazy, whether they want you fold or not.

Re: am i playing too tight? 1st level
 

you are weak tight

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wow, your play here explains a lot

also sometimes when i see your screenname i read it as "ham [censored]" and i'm like "WTF, that's racialist!"

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That essentially means that you are racialist :-O.

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I blame being raised in the South.