Live 25/50 Hand at borg
 

Never played with villain before, nly hand we have played together, he makes it 225, I reraise to 800 with AK, he calls. Flop AQx rainbow, check check. Turn blanks, he bets 1100 I call. River blank, he bets 2700, I call and he instamucks. Also, he bought in for ~50k.

Onto the hand. I have 18.5k, villain covers.

UTG raises to 200, villain calls next from EP, 3rd guy calls, I make it 1100 with 23 from the CO. Not usually a fan of this type of play, but there were a couple of reasons why I thought this was the perfect spot. UTG folds, villain calls, 3rd player folds. Before the flop is dealt, villain says "I'm gonna try not to bluff off my chips to you this time", which makes me believe he is more likely to bluff (yes? no?).

Flop (2675): 2 3 7 rainbow. Villain checks, I bet 1700, he c/r to 5000 and I call.

Turn (12675): Q. Villain asks how much cash I am playing and then quickly throws 10k into the pot.

What does I do?!

Re: Live 25/50 Hand at borg
 

smells like a slowplayed aa/kk to me, or a pure bluff, i really think most people would get a little trickier w a set, which realistically is the only thing u could be worried about.

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you can beat his aces, so don't fold. and since you have only a few K left, shove the turn.

though i wonder, if we just call and the Q or 7 pairs we can get away, is it worth it to do that? can he ever have no pair here and be bluffing, and if so would he fire the last bit on the river?

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i dont play nearly this high but what hands are we worried about here? would you cold call QQ after the utg raiser? Doesnt seem likely. We cant put him on just 77 or two pair, and if we are getting frisky with 23 this flop is gold, i stick it in.

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with what he said, i think he has AA a gigando % of the time. i would never in a bajillion years fold here. also, what did guy look like i been playing decent bit of the borg 25-50/50-1 last couple days im curious.

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You only have a couple grand left after the 10 so I just stick it in. Hope no A, K, Q or 7 hits the river and expect to see a slowplayed AA or KK at showdown.

I doubt his dialogue about not bluffing his chips means he intends to bluff. I think he is bringing to your attention again that he bluffed you earlier so that he will get action on his big pair. He can never put you on your hand so he thinks he's betting for value.

I think he gets trickier with 77 or QQ and I'd be surprised to see them turn up.

-dB

Re: Live 25/50 Hand at borg
 

fistpump

Board: 2s 3d 7c Qs
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.318% 49.32% 00.00% 868 0.00 { 32s }
Hand 1: 50.682% 50.68% 00.00% 892 0.00 { QQ+, 77, 33-22 }


we're 50/50 if hes never bluffing, and at least a little ahead if hes ever bluffing > 0% of the time

Re: Live 25/50 Hand at borg
 

As a followup question, if we have AA this would turn into a fold, yes?

raptor I'll post who he was later, want to hold out for now though because after people find out the responses tend towards what they would do given their read of villain

Re: Live 25/50 Hand at borg
 

snap allin... easy hand

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As a followup question, if we have AA this would turn into a fold, yes?

raptor I'll post who he was later, want to hold out for now though because after people find out the responses tend towards what they would do given their read of villain

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no, you dont fold AA either here.

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no, you dont fold AA either here.

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What do you put him on to felt AA? Seems like KK has to slow down after the Q hits

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no, you dont fold AA either here.

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What do you put him on to felt AA? Seems like KK has to slow down after the Q hits

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...people bluff... especially this guy

Re: Live 25/50 Hand at borg
 

gotcha, you were at the table I'm guessing? To my right or left?

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gotcha, you were at the table I'm guessing? To my right or left?

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No, I'm not in AC right now, I'm saying people bluff, and based off your description, this guy will be bluffing here alot. (to clarify)
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Re: Live 25/50 Hand at borg
 

This is why we dont make raises with 23 , 2 sets of 2/3, 3 sets of 7, 6 sets of 72, 6 sets of 73,the queen opens up even more doors , 21 hands of pairs on turn which are unlikely, i doubt he plays AA or KK this way after ur flat call to his check raise unless he is on tilt, he probably has a set or a better two pair. Good luck at your -ev move. People do limp call raises with pocket pairs, maybe he is being funny with 72/73...

Re: Live 25/50 Hand at borg
 

No way can you get away from this as played and given your guys' history, just shove turn. If he has you beat it's a pretty sick cooler but w/e.

Kirk

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No way can you get away from this as played and given your guys' history, just shove turn. If he has you beat it's a pretty sick cooler but w/e.

Kirk

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Re: Live 25/50 Hand at borg
 

if this was a tough hand it mustve been a good session

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This would have been an interesting hand if you were 50K deep or if you had KK.

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This would have been an interesting hand if you were 50K deep or if you had KK.

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No way man how about q3, seriously middle pair with my weak kicker? 6 sets of q7, 3 sets of 2's, 1 set of 3's, 3 sets of 7s. 13 hands man and he pushes now that would be tough.

It really couldnt even go down like that though top two pair would of been more interesting when the queen came off since he flat calls his check raise.

His 1100 bet preflop is a bit on the big size. But probably about right given this pot around 15-20x bb, maybe we coulda shot for 10-12x bb so we keep pot control and to keep it down a bit in case we do hit bottom two pair or pair and OESD. He looks so strong here he probably puts you on two 10s or two jacks. Does he have aq?

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This would have been an interesting hand if you were 50K deep or if you had KK.

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No way man how about q3, seriously middle pair with my weak kicker? 6 sets of q7, 3 sets of 2's, 1 set of 3's, 3 sets of 7s. 13 hands man and he pushes now that would be tough
It really couldnt even go down like that though top two pair would of been more interesting when the queen came off since he flat calls his check raise.

His 1100 bet preflop is a bit on the big size. But probably about right given this pot around 15-20x bb, maybe we coulda shot for 10-12x bb so we keep pot control and to keep it down a bit in case we do hit bottom two pair or pair and OESD. He looks so strong here he probably puts you on two 10s or two jacks. Does he have aq?

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Re: Live 25/50 Hand at borg
 

freeucm, stay out of this forum.

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snap allin... easy hand

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Re: Live 25/50 Hand at borg
 

Alright thanks guys just wanted to double check, my thoughts were pretty much the same and I thought he would have AA a lot, I shoved and he took down the pot with 77.

Villain was a ~40(although I'm terrible with ages) Asian dude with a buzz cut who I believe is from LA and named Eddie

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Re: Live 25/50 Hand at borg
 

i was at the table for this hand, i believe.

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Villain was a ~40(although I'm terrible with ages) Asian dude with a buzz cut who I believe is from LA and named Eddie

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>80% this is eddie from nyc.

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Villain was a ~40(although I'm terrible with ages) Asian dude with a buzz cut who I believe is from LA and named Eddie

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>80% this is eddie from nyc.

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i second this. he's a local legend and a solid player.

Re: Live 25/50 Hand at borg
 

What about 3-betting the flop?

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Did you consider that Eddie put you on AA and he's only going to raise if he has you beat? So his range is most likely a set of 2's, 3's or 7s. I would have called the flop and gotten away on it on the turn. Tough hand though.

I also saw you play another hand vs Jon where you have the straight and nut flush draw vs his already small flush. It was a tough weekend for you.

Re: Live 25/50 Hand at borg
 

Usually an expert whose bluff was shown last time and talks in the next big pot hand about not bluffing, he would play his nuts exactly the same way as when he bluffed. I'm surprised how many took the bait here.

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smells like a slowplayed aa/kk to me

you can beat his aces

with what he said, i think he has AA a gigando % of the time

expect to see a slowplayed AA or KK at showdown

I thought he would have AA a lot

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five separate posters putting him on aces (or kings)? wtf?

the action doesn't look like AA to me at all. if he did have AA and smoothcalled the first raise in front, he got exactly what he wanted: another raise behind him; it would be time to bomb it with a backraise. and with the stack sizes involved, he should definitely be trying to get a bigger % in pf.

instead, he just called again. his action looks precisely like what he actually held: a medium pocket pair.

seriously don't get how so many of you put him on slowplayed aces. are you basing that read on his one sentence of table talk?

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Did you consider that Eddie put you on AA and he's only going to raise if he has you beat? So his range is most likely a set of 2's, 3's or 7s. I would have called the flop and gotten away on it on the turn. Tough hand though.

I also saw you play another hand vs Jon where you have the straight and nut flush draw vs his already small flush. It was a tough weekend for you.

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Yeah I did consider it, I don't play too many live games so I don't know how often he will show up with AA, but it does seem like players slowplay it more live than online. I also thought he could perhaps have 45

Hand vs. Jon was just overthinking on my part but it happens, thankfully I've turned it around and gotten back into the black this week.

schundler: no point in 3betting the flop, im obv not folding out any better hands so better to just reeval turn and give him a chance to fire another barrel on a bluff