$114: L5 AQs kinda deep, call shove?
 

Villain is a pretty bad semi-reg. He's down quite a bit, but I don't see him doing it with trash. I know it's just a SngPT hand, but I have a really hard time putting him on a range. What do you do here?


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UTG (t1375)
UTG+1 (t3710)
CO (t1875)
Button (t2730)
Hero (t2525)
BB (t1285)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="red">Button raises to t1350</font>, <font color="red">Hero?</font>

Re: $114: L5 AQs kinda deep, call shove?
 

Tough spot without a read. I'd probably let it go, you're likely in a coinflip situation.

Re: $114: L5 AQs kinda deep, call shove?
 

I'd call and either expect a flip or him to be dominated, I wouldn't ever really expect to be behind.

Re: $114: L5 AQs kinda deep, call shove?
 

Gee, I wonder why he is down so much [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

These are always a "I'll put BB all-in with my above average hand, and hope my ginormous bet scares the big stack SB away" type hand. I'd say you are ahead of his range, but not by a ton. Given your current stack size and "ICM tax" you could probably let it go and find better spots later vs this moron, you've got position on him for the most part.

I'm curious to know if you got to see his hand.

Re: $114: L5 AQs kinda deep, call shove?
 

strange, but i let it go.

Re: $114: L5 AQs kinda deep, call shove?
 

yea this is the huge difference between AQs and AK right here. the problem is if you are folding AQs he should be pushing really light. its gotta be a call in NE though right? against someone like this it might be a fold but id still call once in awhile to keep him in check and see what he has

Re: $114: L5 AQs kinda deep, call shove?
 

Right, he should be pushing really light if I'm folding AQs, but IMO people like this just aren't aware enough to make those kinds of adjustments. In hindsight, I think I should have let it go, but in-game I ended up calling and he flipped over 66.

Re: $114: L5 AQs kinda deep, call shove?
 

I think this is close enough that vs. a bad regular I'd shove. Mainly to make him think twice about doing this again, and also to see what he has. In addition to the fact that we might be ahead of course.

-suzzer

Re: $114: L5 AQs kinda deep, call shove?
 

i figure his range to be something like:

77-TT, A9-AQ. calling is +1.2% vs this range in sngpt, but that assumes BB never wakes up with a monster. so you really need to take a bit off the 1.2%.

so as you said, it just comes down to range. i would guess villian is much more likely be to making that silly raise with A8s KQo KJs 66 than he would with AK QQ KK AA.

i find it very rare that someone in this spot is making that raise with a good hand. so i push. who knows, he might even be terrible enough to fold on a rare ocassion.

Re: $114: L5 AQs kinda deep, call shove?
 

I'm not folding. Worse case scenario is you're flipping with some dead money, but often you dominate him.

Re: $114: L5 AQs kinda deep, call shove?
 

Gross spot, but I think I go with it. youll probably lock up at least 2nd place with a win and you are definitely ahead of his range

Re: $114: L5 AQs kinda deep, call shove?
 

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Worse case scenario is he has AK or QQ, which will happen a lot more here than you guys think IMO

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Who is the Villain?

Ryan

Re: $114: L5 AQs kinda deep, call shove?
 

with your read i prolly call but im a calling station fish

Re: $114: L5 AQs kinda deep, call shove?
 

fold

Re: $114: L5 AQs kinda deep, call shove?
 

i guess i fold till i see him make the play with enough frequency. sooo close.

Re: $114: L5 AQs kinda deep, call shove?
 

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Who is the Villain?

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Villain was "tankitan"

Re: $114: L5 AQs kinda deep, call shove?
 

I think some of you guys are remembering the times they have AK in this spot, which they certainly can, way more than the times you dominate an ace, win a bunch of chips, and move on.

Re: $114: L5 AQs kinda deep, call shove?
 

I would push over with JJ+,AK, and AQs so yeah I'm in. But, in reality, it's so close that it doesn't matter.

Re: $114: L5 AQs kinda deep, call shove?
 

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Who is the Villain?

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Villain was "tankitan"

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In that case, I might actually push. Against most players, I'd fold.

Ryan