deep w/ NFD and he\'s repping top set
 

Villain is 40/8/1.7 over 400 hands. Haven't seen him LRR before. Is this a standard peel? The table is playing deep but is pretty donkish all around.


Full Tilt Poker - Pot Limit Omaha Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $289.50
BB: $1,276.30
UTG: $531.40
MP: $679.55
Hero (CO): $926.10
BTN: $860.30

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP calls $2.00, <font color="red">Hero raises to $9.00</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $8.00, BB calls $7.00, <font color="red">MP raises to $45.00</font>, Hero calls $36.00, SB calls $36.00, BB calls $36.00

Flop: ($180) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">MP bets $180.00</font>

Re: deep w/ NFD and he\'s repping top set
 

Preflop is very yucky. I don't play this in EP, which should say something, certainly not for a raise, and I certainly don't call the LRR sandwiched. Once you've got to the flop, you have to peel with the nfd and top pair and hope someone else comes in with a middle or bottom set or some sort of wrap.

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Preflop is very yucky. I don't play this in EP

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I'm in CO

I'm pretty TAG and feel like I would be downright nitty if I wasn't raising hands like this in LP. I would generally fold to the 3-bet w/ normal stacks, but figured we were deep enough for a call?

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Ok, so that's a limp. I'd tend not to raise to isolate someone with those stats, which would be the main reason to raise here. If it was double-suited I'd be raising for value. Being deep isn't a good enough excuse to play the hand once it's been limpreraised, especially sandwiched, it's pretty dire by all accounts. Your absolute position is pretty bad and your relative position is even worse.

Re: deep w/ NFD and he\'s repping top set
 

1. He probably does have top set
2. You have 3 hearts in your hand
3. You aren't completing the action
4. You won't get him to fold by repping some other scare card
5. You will sometimes get re-sucked out on

So I say fold.

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1. He probably does have top set
2. You have 3 hearts in your hand
3. You aren't completing the action
4. You won't get him to fold by repping some other scare card
5. You will sometimes get re-sucked out on

So I say fold.

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Yeah I folded

Re: deep w/ NFD and he\'s repping top set
 

This looks like a easy fold. Glad to hear you did.

Re: deep w/ NFD and he\'s repping top set
 

i doubt he has aces

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He probly has 5678

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preflop raise is marginal at best but calling the LRR is is really bad. You have cards barely worth raising in CO and you have even worse position.

Once you get to the flop there is no way im folding. Its pretty hard for him to hold three aces so unless i had a really good read on villain i cant find a fold on this flop.
Call flop and call/push any turn.
Thats how i would play it.

edit:
1. call flop
2. make sure you hit on turn
3. then call/push on the turn.

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He probly has 5678

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i don't know if you're kidding, but i definitely think that's a possibility. i don't think a 300+ bb stack is going to LRR aces while the other big stack is the raiser and has position on him all that often. maybe he would do that with double-suited AAJJ or something, but if his aces were THAT strong he would probably just raise them in the first place. plus there are only 2 aces left, so this is a parlay-type situation: compare the chances that he has the remaining 2 aces, and he didn't raise them first in, and he decided to LRR despite having a giant stack on his left, to the chances that he decided to play something else trickily and now thinks he can rep top set.

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preflop raise is marginal at best but calling the LRR is is really bad. You have cards barely worth raising in CO and you have even worse position.

Once you get to the flop there is no way im folding. Its pretty hard for him to hold three aces so unless i had a really good read on villain i cant find a fold on this flop.
Call flop and call/push any turn.
Thats how i would play it.

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i like call flop/call turn as well. often this guy will hang himself when a blank comes or the board pairs and you'll win unimproved.

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preflop raise is marginal at best but calling the LRR is is really bad. You have cards barely worth raising OTB and you have even worse position.

Once you get to the flop there is no way im folding. Its pretty hard for him to hold three aces so unless i had a really good read on villain i cant find a fold on this flop.
Call flop and call/push any turn.
Thats how i would play it.


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i don't know. aside of of the nfd hero has nothing going on for his hand. 4-way in a re-raised pot. i find a fold here.

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preflop raise is marginal at best but calling the LRR is is really bad. You have cards barely worth raising OTB and you have even worse position.

Once you get to the flop there is no way im folding. Its pretty hard for him to hold three aces so unless i had a really good read on villain i cant find a fold on this flop.
Call flop and call/push any turn.
Thats how i would play it.


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i don't know. aside of of the nfd hero has nothing going on for his hand. 4-way in a re-raised pot. i find a fold here.

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Calling/ or maybe pushing the flop is the right play an its not close. AK might be good here vs the the LRR, and if it isnt we have outs and if we can get one more player involved in the pot we are even money if the money goes in on the flop.

Dream scenario is if LRR is bluffing with a rundown hand like 6789 and decides to bluffpush a blank turn while our flop overcall bluffs out someone with a two pair or low set figuring one of us holds AAA.

Re: deep w/ NFD and he\'s repping top set
 

I would say about 80% of players have what they are representing in cases like this. So barring any previous reads to the contrary I fold.

Re: deep w/ NFD and he\'s repping top set
 

If you are going to be calling the re-raise preflop, I would hope that your logic is that he doesn't have aces, or else your hand really shrivels up. I mean, I feel like that is your dream flop. I wouldn't be surprised to see him flip up a KhKxQhJx type of hand here. I really think I would have pushed the flop here. If not that, at least a call to see if the board pairs and how he plays it or pick up a straight draw with the flush, 2 pair the turn, etc. I really think that a fold is not correct here.

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He probly has 5678

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i don't know if you're kidding, but i definitely think that's a possibility. i don't think a 300+ bb stack is going to LRR aces while the other big stack is the raiser and has position on him all that often.

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I completely agree.

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you have to ask why call preflop if you are going to fold TPNFD for 1 bet?

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preflop raise is marginal at best but calling the LRR is is really bad. You have cards barely worth raising in CO and you have even worse position.

Once you get to the flop there is no way im folding. Its pretty hard for him to hold three aces so unless i had a really good read on villain i cant find a fold on this flop.
Call flop and call/push any turn.
Thats how i would play it.

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i like call flop/call turn as well. often this guy will hang himself when a blank comes or the board pairs and you'll win unimproved.

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This is an interesting line. I have not played as much omaha as you, so I am biased in that I pretty much have always seen aces here.

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I would say about 80% of players have what they are representing in cases like this. So barring any previous reads to the contrary I fold.

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You should do the math.

Re: deep w/ NFD and he\'s repping top set
 

I think it's a set most times here.
It's such a draw heavy flop that the guy betting $180 on the flop expects to be called, after all he bet into 3 people. Since you have the nut flush draw he isn't betting that, so the only hand that plays that flop so hard is a set. Could be JJTT, at absolute worse it's maybe AKQT. I think you have 8 outs here which isn't enough to call heads up, if you were 3 ways then sure.

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I would say about 80% of players have what they are representing in cases like this. So barring any previous reads to the contrary I fold.

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PokerStars Game #12075893200: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/09/15 - 16:17:15 (ET)
Table 'Shajna' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: feming ($397.25 in chips)
Seat 2: 178013 ($341.20 in chips)
Seat 3: tropical100 ($232.35 in chips)
Seat 4: th9nip ($273.85 in chips)
Seat 5: HwCnFld_Auto ($302.20 in chips)
Seat 6: stokie ($126.15 in chips)
th9nip: posts small blind $1
HwCnFld_Auto: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
stokie: folds
feming: folds
178013: raises $4 to $6
tropical100: folds
th9nip: calls $5
HwCnFld_Auto: calls $4
*** FLOP *** [6d Tc Ac]
th9nip: checks
HwCnFld_Auto: checks
178013: bets $12
th9nip: raises $41.10 to $53.10
HwCnFld_Auto: folds
178013: raises $123.30 to $176.40
th9nip: raises $91.45 to $267.85 and is all-in
178013: calls $91.45
*** TURN *** [6d Tc Ac] [Jh]
*** RIVER *** [6d Tc Ac Jh] [7s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
th9nip: shows [As 5d Kc 5c] (a pair of Aces)
178013: shows [9d 2h Ad Ah] (three of a kind, Aces)
178013 collected $550.70 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $553.70 | Rake $3
Board [6d Tc Ac Jh 7s]
Seat 1: feming folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: 178013 showed [9d 2h Ad Ah] and won ($550.70) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 3: tropical100 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: th9nip (small blind) showed [As 5d Kc 5c] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 5: HwCnFld_Auto (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: stokie folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Re: deep w/ NFD and he\'s repping top set
 

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you have to ask why call preflop if you are going to fold TPNFD for 1 bet?

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Yeah, well, this is why I posted the hand. I haven't played enough to know about how often this is AAxx.

I don't have a ton of PLO under my belt and have been erring on the side of nitty as I've been learning.