I\'m trying to lose weight! Lots of excerisise and booze, probably
 

I'm about 5'9 or 5'10 and weigh 225. I am very active and athletic but would love to shed a lot of weight.


So, I'm basically a drunk who wants to lose weight. I'm very active and have the ability to eat very well. I can control myself on what I eat. I'm not sure if combining all of these things will work.

My plan is as follows.

1.)1 hour of basketball a day (usually 20 minutes of shooting around and 40 minutes of intense games)
2.)Eat roughly 1500-2000 calories a day (seems low, but it's what I've been eating for the last week without feeling hungry)
3.) I drink a lot, usually 3 times a week, between 8-20 shots of 80 proof liquor. (With this diet I try to avoid mixing drinks and just chasing with a lime, or a bit of juice.)
4.) Avoid binging, including not exercising for 5 days or going on drinking binges which last for a week.


Anyways, I'm pretty sure I can keep all of this up, other than the abnormally low calorie intake, which might be 500 calories higher. I could keep doing this but I'm pretty sure that eating 1200 calories, like I did yesterday, isn't good at all. Any advice?

P.S. I'm not starving myself in any way, most likely I'm either miscalculating my caloric intake, or I'm strangely un hungry.

P.S.S I am very drunk, sorry if any of this is insane or misspelled. he he, I misspelled misspelled.

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I recommend chasing every fourth shot with a can of Coke.

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pretty sure it will be close to impossible for you to shed fat or gain lbm drinking 3x week 8 - 20 shots.

alcohol is sabotaging you in so many ways that i don't think you can overcome it.

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pretty sure it will be close to impossible for you to shed fat or gain lbm drinking 3x week 8 - 20 shots.

alcohol is sabotaging you in so many ways that i don't think you can overcome it.

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How many calories in booze each week?
Doubt that you are at under 2000 calories a day.

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So 24-60 drinks a week? That's too much man, it'll seriously slow down your progress. I really don't see any need to drink more than 8 drinks in a night on a weekly basis.

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I really don't see any need to drink more than 8 drinks in a night on a weekly basis.

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pretty sure it will be close to impossible for you to shed fat or gain lbm drinking 3x week 8 - 20 shots.

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not true. see my thread. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...part=1&vc=1

sure, its better to not drink and only eat healthy food and weigh it out and monitor everything but you can still get plenty of progress from just working out.

i really dont understand the negativity towards plans like this. the guy wants to make a healthy lifestyle change that will only improve himself. and you harp on the negatives.

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he's drinking more than you. maybe not on average, but in a given night, and i think liquor is harder on the body than beer, just my experience though. he's also trying to lose weight, which is very difficult to do while drinking liquor, as it is a ton of calories, eats muscle and destroys your metabolism....other than that his diet looks great and i wish him the best of luck.

edit: from everything i've read, i'm pretty sure a bucket of lard would allow you to reach your goals faster than alcohol

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I really don't see any need to drink more than 20 drinks in a weekly basis.

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he's drinking more than you. maybe not on average, but in a given night, and i think liquor is harder on the body than beer, just my experience though. he's also trying to lose weight, which is very difficult to do while drinking liquor, as it is a ton of calories, eats muscle and destroys your metabolism....other than that his diet looks great and i wish him the best of luck.

edit: from everything i've read, i'm pretty sure a bucket of lard would allow you to reach your goals faster than alcohol

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You're backward on the liquor/beer thing. Liquor has less calories in addition the light/dark thing is pretty much meh (not that you said this, but its an ongoing myth).

http://www.drinksmixer.com/desc1375.html
http://www.calorie-count.com/calories/item/14037.html
http://www.calorie-count.com/calories/item/14049.html

The alcohol has the calories. And the deleterious effects on your body. Getting drunk is probably 90% of the problem.

My general feelings on the bottle are pretty similar to diet ice cream. If you're gonna do it, do it right. Unless you're drinking like Mudslides and wanna move to scotch/sode in which case you can cut a lot of cals and reclaim some semblance of dignity.

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I appreciate everyone's input. and I can honestly say... Doh. I'll still try the diet out and post results if anyone is interested. I personally think it'll work. As for "why" someone would drink this much, I like to get wasted sometimes. I'm a drunken 21 year old with a love of boozin. Anyways here are the last few days of exercise, booze sense I started. All times depict minutes of basketball I started all of this weighing 226

9/11- 60

9/12- 80
9/13- 60, 10 shots of tequila with lime/salt caser, 22oz beer.

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If simply getting drunk is your goal, go with liquor over beer. For the same amount of alcohol, beer will have way more calories because of the carbs.

Thremp, you've mentioned that diet ice cream thing before, and I think the main difference is that most people don't make lifestyle decisions to eat 4 gallons of ice cream a week. And if they did, they should try diet cause that would make a huge difference.

DrW, I'm interested in seeing your drinking log. I'd be impressed if you could get good results drinking 40+ drinks a week.

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Look, forget what it may or may not do to his muscular development or his health, 14shots is like ~1100 calories. Three days a week, that’s under 500 calories a day. He can easily make lifestyle changes (less food or more cardio) to counteract that and then some. Just treat it like calories.

I drank about that much (half a bottle of jack) 3-4 times a week and was losing weight at the same time.

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Korch,

The thing is their not just calories. They inhibit performance more than just being calories. If my booze calories were even 2x, I could adjust and be much better off.

Dethgrind,

Umm... If you're gonna indulge, don't half ass it. Next someone will talk about dry sex like its acceptable.

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Thremp,

You seem to be a bit of a guru on these boards, and your point is echoed by many other posters here. Thing is, I have drank about what the OP has for the past two years and I have lost like 150lb and put on some muscle. My bp is good and my blood lipids are spectacular. That's all I'm saying. I also dip like a can every two days.

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Korch,

Word. I drink a lot too. I make gains, but I don't pretend like it doesn't eff up my progress either. I'm sure I'd be already putting up the numbers I want to if I just followed what I know I should be doing easier.

Also, not to dig, but moving from morbidly obese to just skinny fat is a pretty meh journey that mostly requires self-control with diet. To get where you started you had to do a huge amount of things wrong, to get back to average you don't really need to do a lot of stuff right, just stop doing a million things really bad. So its probably not the best example.

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Korch,

Also, not to dig, but moving from morbidly obese to just skinny fat is a pretty meh journey that mostly requires self-control with diet. To get where you started you had to do a huge amount of things wrong, to get back to average you don't really need to do a lot of stuff right, just stop doing a million things really bad. So its probably not the best example.

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You may be right here, but that's not to say a lot of good wasn't accomplished. I guess I don't have any idea as to what progress drinking is inhibiting when I'm still happy I can do a single pushup. :-)

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he's drinking more than you. maybe not on average, but in a given night, and i think liquor is harder on the body than beer, just my experience though. he's also trying to lose weight, which is very difficult to do while drinking liquor, as it is a ton of calories, eats muscle and destroys your metabolism....other than that his diet looks great and i wish him the best of luck.

edit: from everything i've read, i'm pretty sure a bucket of lard would allow you to reach your goals faster than alcohol

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I think beer is much, much harder on your body than hard liquor. Beer bloats you up big time, and has so many calories outside of just the calories from the alcohol itself. If I drink too much beer or too often, it slows me down and bloats me far more than hard liquor does, and it takes longer to start to feel right again.

There's still a way in which what you say makes some sense to me, though, and that is that because hard liquor is so much easier on the system than beer, it's easier to drink more of it and kid yourself it's not so bad. The bloating and dehydration from beer will clue you in a lot sooner that you've got some negative things happening to your body.

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blarg - ya

everyone else - you are retarded if you think your performance/gains/weight loss are the same with or without liquor. that's all i'm saying. that's amazing that you can still gain lbm or lose fat while drinking, don't think you won't gain more lbm and lose more fat if you stopped.

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I'm a drunken 21 year old with a love of boozin.
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9/13- 60, 10 shots of tequila with lime/salt caser, 22oz beer.

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Not to bring your thread down, but I'm in my 3rd year of medical school, and have seen people with alcohol end stage lever disease. It's a slow, [censored] way to die. A little drinking is fine, even healthy, but you should consider cutting back before you do some serious damage. End lecture.

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I'm a drunken 21 year old with a love of boozin.
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9/13- 60, 10 shots of tequila with lime/salt caser, 22oz beer.

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Not to bring your thread down, but I'm in my 3rd year of medical school, and have seen people with alcohol end stage lever disease. It's a slow, [censored] way to die. A little drinking is fine, even healthy, but you should consider cutting back before you do some serious damage. End lecture.

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Yeah, I know. I used to be much worse and have been getting better and better. used to be 5 days a week between 10-30 shots. That was bad. I figure the less I drink the lower my tolerance, and then I consume few calories and weigh even less and my tolerance continues to go down. It's a good cycle, and I'm cutting down a good amount. I suppose recording my progress and how much I drink nightly will allow me to quantify exactly what I'm consuming.

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Is this correct? Vodka has 65 calories, and I'm up to 35 minutes on the eliptical, which says that burns 450 to 500 calories. I can easily drink three shots in a glass with a little tonic splashed on top and a lot of ice. I do this twice and then have another one with only two shots right before going to bed. That's 8 shots. That's 520 calories. Does that mean the workout is for nothing?

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I'm a drunken 21 year old with a love of boozin.
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9/13- 60, 10 shots of tequila with lime/salt caser, 22oz beer.

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Not to bring your thread down, but I'm in my 3rd year of medical school, and have seen people with alcohol end stage lever disease. It's a slow, [censored] way to die. A little drinking is fine, even healthy, but you should consider cutting back before you do some serious damage. End lecture.

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And you do realize the time frames they put to these things?

As a side note, I find it very interesting that now they say that unless you develop real problems from smoking, that you'll see your lung function become baseline for your age level in under <10 years after decades of smoking. Take that truth biatch!

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I'm about 5'9 or 5'10 and weigh 225. I am very active and athletic but would love to shed a lot of weight.


So, I'm basically a drunk who wants to lose weight. I'm very active and have the ability to eat very well. I can control myself on what I eat. I'm not sure if combining all of these things will work.

My plan is as follows.

1.)1 hour of basketball a day (usually 20 minutes of shooting around and 40 minutes of intense games)
2.)Eat roughly 1500-2000 calories a day (seems low, but it's what I've been eating for the last week without feeling hungry)
3.) I drink a lot, usually 3 times a week, between 8-20 shots of 80 proof liquor. (With this diet I try to avoid mixing drinks and just chasing with a lime, or a bit of juice.)
4.) Avoid binging, including not exercising for 5 days or going on drinking binges which last for a week.


Anyways, I'm pretty sure I can keep all of this up, other than the abnormally low calorie intake, which might be 500 calories higher. I could keep doing this but I'm pretty sure that eating 1200 calories, like I did yesterday, isn't good at all. Any advice?

P.S. I'm not starving myself in any way, most likely I'm either miscalculating my caloric intake, or I'm strangely un hungry.

P.S.S I am very drunk, sorry if any of this is insane or misspelled. he he, I misspelled misspelled.

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Why stress over losing weight? Chances are, you'll be dead by age forty anyway.

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I'm about 5'9 or 5'10 and weigh 225. I am very active and athletic but would love to shed a lot of weight.


So, I'm basically a drunk who wants to lose weight. I'm very active and have the ability to eat very well. I can control myself on what I eat. I'm not sure if combining all of these things will work.

My plan is as follows.

1.)1 hour of basketball a day (usually 20 minutes of shooting around and 40 minutes of intense games)
2.)Eat roughly 1500-2000 calories a day (seems low, but it's what I've been eating for the last week without feeling hungry)
3.) I drink a lot, usually 3 times a week, between 8-20 shots of 80 proof liquor. (With this diet I try to avoid mixing drinks and just chasing with a lime, or a bit of juice.)
4.) Avoid binging, including not exercising for 5 days or going on drinking binges which last for a week.


Anyways, I'm pretty sure I can keep all of this up, other than the abnormally low calorie intake, which might be 500 calories higher. I could keep doing this but I'm pretty sure that eating 1200 calories, like I did yesterday, isn't good at all. Any advice?

P.S. I'm not starving myself in any way, most likely I'm either miscalculating my caloric intake, or I'm strangely un hungry.

P.S.S I am very drunk, sorry if any of this is insane or misspelled. he he, I misspelled misspelled.

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Why stress over losing weight? Chances are, you'll be dead by age forty anyway.

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Cheaper, slightly smaller coffin.

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I basically use drinking as my 1-2 cheat meals a week, I've noticed when I eat in addition to drinking it really kills my progress. If I don't eat when drunk I can still maintain steady weight loss. Then again, how much fun is Coney Island at 3 a.m. when you are just sipping on water?

Beer < calories than liquor for me because I drink less of it and still get just as drunk. Shot 8-15 is diminishing returns and it's probably just because its put in front of me anyway.

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Not eating when drinking is what makes alcoholics routinely malnourished, which exacerbates the damage to the body. Not worth it.

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Beer < calories than liquor for me because I drink less of it and still get just as drunk.

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I'm amazed that this a gambling message board and people still propound things like this. There are really 3 things that affect how drunk you get 1) amount of alcohol 2) absorption rate 3) time frame. Not to mention that beer starts with around 1.5x calories as liquor this statement is just mind boggingly bad.

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Weekly update: (actually 8 days)

9/11-9/18

9/11 Weight(clothes and shoes on) 226
9/18 weight(clothes and shoes on) 222

6 days of b ball, averaging about an hour
2 days of heavy drinking. 11 shots and a 22 oz beer one night. 10+ shots bottle of wine the 2nd night.
Ate crappy foods a couple of times. i.e. Hamburgers and fries, a couple of candy bars.

So far so good. Hopefully progress keeps up, I realize that this could easily be water weight, we'll see I suppose.

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I really don't see any need to drink more than 8 drinks in a night on a weekly basis.

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This seems awfully silly to me. You really can't think of a reason that a person might do this? I'll give you one guess.