1/2 Limit, 2nd nuts, raise?
 

PokerStars 1/2 Omaha/8 (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, MP3 calls, Hero (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls.

River: (9 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 9 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has As Ah 5s 4c (High: three of a kind, aces).
SB has Qh 9h Jd Kd (High: straight, ace high).
Outcome: SB wins 9 BB. </font>

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Should I raise on flop and/or turn with the 2nd nuts? Or just call?

Would it be ok in a Pot Limit 08-game to lose all your chips on this 2nd nuts hand?

Re: 1/2 Limit, 2nd nuts, raise?
 

Cap every street. Only QJ is currently beating you and there are a lot of second best hands and draws to pay you off here. Slow down if a flush or four to a straight (i.e. a Q or J) hits though.

Also (and you're going to hate me for this), it's not wrong to just call the flop, get some calls behind and play your top set like a draw. Depends on how you feel. But there's nothing wrong with going for broke here, it's up to you.

The reason I mention both is because the expected value of each action is so close it doesn't really matter how you play it imo. The pot isn't large so winning it right there isn't so important. It's really a question of how loose your opponents are and if they'll call 2 bets cold with inferior hands.

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Re: 1/2 Limit, 2nd nuts, raise?
 

Oops. Lol. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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Thanks for your answer, should I have bet the river in this case?

Re: 1/2 Limit, 2nd nuts, raise?
 

When he donks the turn it is calldown time. People will play a lot more transparent in O8 and a lot faster with big made hands due to the chance of being drawn out on. If he didn't bet the river, I for sure would with the 2nd nut lo and 3rd nut hi.

Re: 1/2 Limit, 2nd nuts, raise?
 

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If he didn't bet the river, I for sure would with the 2nd nut lo and 3rd nut hi.

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What if you had no low, kinda like the OP...

Re: 1/2 Limit, 2nd nuts, raise?
 

My reading skills are elite. Ddin't realize you were counterfeit on the river with your lo. I'd check behind the river, of course your villain is not going to check the river if you don't raise the turn. I think the turn raise is a mistake. I'd probaly call down after the turn donk.

Of course, you shouldn't ever post results because it will change peoples reactions.

Re: 1/2 Limit, 2nd nuts, raise?
 

Imagine you're the SB in this hand.
Two questions:
1 - Do you re-raise the turn with the nut high and no low? I think not because of the flush draw and low draw, but I'm curious if others feel differently.

2 - Do you bet the river? I think no because the low is out there, but you do have the nut high. You only get called with a split or when you're quartered right? It's easy to say that the turn raise indicates a made hand not a low draw when you know the results, but would you make a river bet based on that assumption?

Re: 1/2 Limit, 2nd nuts, raise?
 

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2 - Do you bet the river?

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Absolutely.

Re: 1/2 Limit, 2nd nuts, raise?
 

I dont know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but I would have just called the flop. You dont have the nuts, and have a VERY vunerable hand.

If you arent already behind to QJ, any Q,J or club on the turn can really wreck your hand. And a low card will pop up often times on the turn and potentially take 1/2 the pot away from you on the river.

The big reason (for me atleast) is your position. Your last to act. That is usually a good thing, but in this case it makes it nearly impossible for you to protect your hand and get players out. If we were BB with this hand, I pop this all day. But I dont like the move last to act.

Therefore, if a non Q,J or club falls, we put on the pressure, and if one of those do fall, we can get out safley only putting in one small bet on the flop.

Playing this way can also diguise your hand when the board pairs and a made flush/straight can not put you on a full boat.

Re: 1/2 Limit, 2nd nuts, raise?
 

PokerStars 1/2 Omaha/8 (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB
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Should I have played any street differently?

Re: 1/2 Limit, 2nd nuts, raise?
 

I think you're up against A3, A8 or AK; all of which have you beat. I'd play it the same. That's hard hand to get away from. I'd might fold this river because you don't have any low and you might get 3 quartered if not worse.

Re: 1/2 Limit, 2nd nuts, raise?
 

That's exactly what I thought, but I scooped it.

He had A-10-5-5. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: 1/2 Limit, 2nd nuts, raise?
 

Hand 1

Pre-flop:Raise.This is a good hand short handed.The raise should improve your equity,especially if you get rid of an A3,32,or another A4.

River:You should bet.He probably would have re-raised the turn with QJ(I sure would have),&amp; there may or not be a made low(probably is,I guess).

I saw the results,but they don't change anything,imo.