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Lurker. 09-12-2007 03:28 PM

100NL: KK....rivers an easy call...right?
 
This may be super standard, but what kind of a range do you put the villain on here. This is an easy call right? Does anyone fold, if so, why?

Villain is 21/19/3 over a smallish sample size. No other reads.


Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $104.00
Hero (BB): $96.50
UTG: $97.25
MP: $99.50
CO: $95.05
BTN: $79.55

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $1.00, MP folds, CO calls $1.00, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5.50</font>, UTG calls $4.50, CO folds

Flop: ($12.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $8.00</font>, UTG calls $8.00

Turn: ($28.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $11.00</font>, Hero calls $11.00

River: ($50.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $28.00</font>, Hero ?

SABR42 09-12-2007 03:31 PM

Re: 100NL: KK....rivers an easy call...right?
 
I would usually just bet the turn again.

If I check, it would be to check/raise.

As played call river obv.

LaughLinMan 09-12-2007 03:34 PM

Re: 100NL: KK....rivers an easy call...right?
 
Bet turn
Bet river
Call raise

Consider fold 2 push with read

eastern motors 09-12-2007 03:40 PM

Re: 100NL: KK....rivers an easy call...right?
 
Bet more OOP PF. Bet pot on flop with flush draw and (unlikely) straight draw. Bet turn and bet river.

I think villain will show you 99-QQ a lot or may just fold.

A played you should definitely be calling the river. Although the small bets look suspicious, I think villain will have a smaller PP or a missed draw often enough.

AMT 09-12-2007 04:02 PM

Re: 100NL: KK....rivers an easy call...right?
 
hes a bad tag with 33, 55-TT, whiffament

or like A4 I guess.

just call.

TheDivineRod 09-12-2007 04:08 PM

Re: 100NL: KK....rivers an easy call...right?
 
Def call river.

Jamougha 09-12-2007 04:30 PM

Re: 100NL: KK....rivers an easy call...right?
 
You certainly have to call the way you played it. bet turn.

Suigin406 09-12-2007 05:02 PM

Re: 100NL: KK....rivers an easy call...right?
 
just wondering, the limp UTG from a reasonable player seems to indicate pair to me...so what's good/bad about crai on the turn?? i know he might check behind, but his aggro isn't too low...

Jamougha 09-12-2007 05:09 PM

Re: 100NL: KK....rivers an easy call...right?
 
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just wondering, the limp UTG from a reasonable player seems to indicate pair to me...so what's good/bad about crai on the turn??

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Well the main problem is that he will fold the hands we beat and call with the hand that beat us, maybe excepting 77.

Suigin406 09-12-2007 05:12 PM

Re: 100NL: KK....rivers an easy call...right?
 
^^but if he had a mid pair, he would prolly be folding that to us after we bet the turn...at least i think that's i figure these types do more often than not...so i think crai to get a little extra from him

Jamougha 09-12-2007 05:16 PM

Re: 100NL: KK....rivers an easy call...right?
 
I still don't see the point of raising, and I think we get a call fairly often if we lead.

FishSticks 09-12-2007 05:25 PM

Re: 100NL: KK....rivers an easy call...right?
 
This looks fine if the guy is fairly aggro, call river.

By default I'm just leading turn again to charge unimproved pocket pairs. It's a huge part of his range, he might check behind a lot, and the river could bring plenty of cards that kill your potential action.

ManChild 09-12-2007 06:37 PM

Re: 100NL: KK....rivers an easy call...right?
 
this hand is butchered

bet turn,
and if you check the river, its to induce a bluff from missed clubs

Sh@i'tan 09-12-2007 06:47 PM

Re: 100NL: KK....rivers an easy call...right?
 
we have the best hand here almost always judging by his retarded bet sizes so i just shove and let him call me with whatever he wants to.

Lurker. 09-12-2007 07:36 PM

Re: 100NL: KK....rivers an easy call...right?
 
does $22 sound good on the turn?

i didn't c/r because i thought this was a WA/WB situation (could be way off?) and only better hands call the turn raise.

If he calls turn bet, and the same river card falls, is c/c the appropriate play? I don't think we're deep enough to b/f....

RikkiDee 09-12-2007 07:53 PM

Re: 100NL: KK....rivers an easy call...right?
 
as played c/r all in on river. You played your hand very weakly to his weak bets. His river bet looks like a weak value bet.

usually easiest to just keep betting tho obviously.

I can't think of any hands that a 21/19 limps UTG tho. Either your sample size is too small or he misclick limped.

ManChild 09-12-2007 08:30 PM

Re: 100NL: KK....rivers an easy call...right?
 
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does $22 sound good on the turn?

i didn't c/r because i thought this was a WA/WB situation (could be way off?) and only better hands call the turn raise.

If he calls turn bet, and the same river card falls, is c/c the appropriate play? I don't think we're deep enough to b/f....

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9 on flop, 24ish on turn, stick in the last 60 on the river, let him call with some PP, if you check the river you have to call whatever he bets

Casper05 09-12-2007 08:40 PM

Re: 100NL: KK....rivers an easy call...right?
 
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You certainly have to call the way you played it. bet turn.

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bung 09-12-2007 08:43 PM

Re: 100NL: KK....rivers an easy call...right?
 
*grunchin*

play is def passive on turn, also you can b/f if villain has a set, trips. At the same time, its the best way to make it look like youre on a draw and induce from middle pairs. Playing it slow is good every once in a while amirite


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