200NL: Do you call this 60BB limp/shove?
 

Just new to the table, Villain so far appears to be a loose passive donkey (35/0 over a huge sample of 30 hands). I need about 46% equity to call -- do I have that?

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $223.80
Hero (BB): $202.40
UTG: $127.15
MP: $97.85
CO: $282.85
BTN: $84.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $2.00, 4 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises all-in to $127.15</font>, Hero ... ?

Re: 200NL: Do you call this 60BB limp/shove?
 

How many times have you rised his limps in those 30 hands? If it's 10 I call, if this is the first time I fold.

Re: 200NL: Do you call this 60BB limp/shove?
 

call

Re: 200NL: Do you call this 60BB limp/shove?
 

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How many times have you rised his limps in those 30 hands? If it's 10 I call, if this is the first time I fold.

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First time. He's done nothing else of note.

Re: 200NL: Do you call this 60BB limp/shove?
 

No variance, I quick fold.

Re: 200NL: Do you call this 60BB limp/shove?
 

i usually insta call this bc i don't give these donkeys any credit for doing such bs. his range should def be 77+, AJs+, AJo+.

Re: 200NL: Do you call this 60BB limp/shove?
 

You need 46.1% equity to call and he'll probably have pairs here (and you aren't 50-50 vs those pairs, you're anywhere from 58-42 to 55-45!!) a lot more than he'll have AQ. Easy, easy fold.

Re: 200NL: Do you call this 60BB limp/shove?
 

i snap-call (just basing that on experience), someone did this vs me w/ Q10 the other day.
<font color="white">MOTHER [censored] OUT DREW ME, PIECE OF [censored]</font>
expect to be ahead a lot of the time


edit: theres the math, so i might be wrong, but i swear you see aq/aj a lot here

Re: 200NL: Do you call this 60BB limp/shove?
 

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You need 46.1% equity to call and he'll probably have pairs here a lot more than he'll have AQ. Easy, easy fold.

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you flip w/ most pairs and have him dominated when he has a hand like AQ, AJ. the only hands you really have to worry about is AA and KK.

edit: this move is just so donkish. ive seen ppl do this w/ like KT, QJ, K9, 97... i hate folding AK here.

Re: 200NL: Do you call this 60BB limp/shove?
 

call/berate is a pretty std line here

Re: 200NL: Do you call this 60BB limp/shove?
 

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you flip w/ most pairs and have him dominated when he has a hand like AQ, AJ. the only hands you really have to worry about is AA and KK.

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When someone massively overbets the pot this is narrow-minded thinking. Say you have AKo in the BB and UTG shoves for 100bbs. Action gets to you, and he accidentally flips pocket twos. If you call that because it's just a flip, you're lighting money on fire.

Same thing here. Usually saying that AK flips with pairs is a decent enough approximation because you're almost always getting odds to call as a slight dog, but when the dude shoves for $110 more into a $20 pot, you need to consider the fact that AK is a DOG to those hands you always think you're "flipping" with.

Re: 200NL: Do you call this 60BB limp/shove?
 

You don't put him on AA or KK here? I know you say he's a donk, but usually, from my experience, a limp from UTG followed by reraise is screaming AA or KK. Not to metion, he's 35/0, which means he hasn't even raised a single hand preflop yet.

I say fold.

Re: 200NL: Do you call this 60BB limp/shove?
 

I fold here and find a better spot. Just not worth it imo.

I'd much rather find a spot where I KNOW I'm ahead of said monkey and get it in then vs him. Here, we're not sure and we could be crushed.

If he's a monkey, as you say, you'll get it eventually anyway, so I'd wait for a better spot.