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Hey, I dont usually post this, but these past 12 days ive been running really bad, or I end up breaking even, or I just finish down, ive been a relatively winning player thru nl25 and nl50 (still grinding it out), but Ive been running bad over 30k hands now, its really frustrating, I just think ill never get out of it, that ill never finish this huge downswing im living now, ive lost like a third of my roll, slowly losing it thru those 30k hands. I just really dont know whats the best strat to combat this lame feeling i get.

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Hi - it might just be varience. In which case just keep playing and work through it. Varience is tough to swallow in that we all know it is going to happen but when it does we think it must be something else.

The thing I find when I am in a downswing though is that I start pushing hands when I shouldn't. It is a very subtle form of tilt but it means you are not playing your optimum poker. Just slow down a little and think whether your next action is the correct one.

It is hard to stomach but you must stay within BR (if that means dropping down a level then do it), keep playing what is obviously winning poker (as you have demonstarated in the past) and just slow your decision times down a little.

I hope you get through this soon. Good luck

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ive been a relatively winning player thru nl25 and nl50 (still grinding it out), but Ive been running bad over 30k hands now

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over how many hands were you a winning player and what sort of winrate?

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Hey, I dont usually post this, but these past 12 days ive been running really bad, or I end up breaking even, or I just finish down, ive been a relatively winning player thru nl25 and nl50 (still grinding it out), but Ive been running bad over 30k hands now, its really frustrating, I just think ill never get out of it, that ill never finish this huge downswing im living now, ive lost like a third of my roll, slowly losing it thru those 30k hands. I just really dont know whats the best strat to combat this lame feeling i get.

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First question: how many tables are you playing?
Playing less tables may mean you get in far fewer hands overall but it also allows you to develope more accurate reads of different players in addition to reducing variance and improving your post flop play.
2nd question: What kind of hands do you keep getting stacked on?
Are you the type that refuses to fold overpairs to the board when it seems blatantly obvious you're behind but you want to believe that you're not.

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Well its mostly setups, or people going all in with A high flush draw on a flop where i have a set and getting there, or betting each street against people who have low folding ratio (33% and less for each street.) when I have Ak and they have AJ on A96 flop and getting a jack on the river. i can post hands but ive been a winning player at 25nl and 50nl over 35k hands. Running decently well, i move up when i have 20+ bi. But the last 30k hands are really horrible, and the last 10k were just brutal, id get outdrawn all the time.
I was running at 8bb/100 over 25k hands at nl25, i moved up, then i was running well over 8-10k hands at nl50 but then it just happend.
I just started a new account on ftp, I play 6 tables and am a solid 19/17 TAG for now. I just guess I have to pass thru it, but it seems like it will nevers stop.I hate being unlucky [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] . Maybe I should leave full tilt and go play on party lol :P

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A good way to restore your confidence is to spend some extra time analyzing your play. Post hands you normally wouldn't have thought that much of, look for leaks. It helps to have a clear idea of how you've been playing, what sort of mistakes you can fix and which situations were decided entirely by luck.

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I just started a new account on ftp,

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Different players?
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I play 6 tables

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Cut back to 2-3 and think more about each move?

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Nah,I already played on ftp, its not really that much of a game problem, just running horribly bad. I cant play at 3 tables, i already get really bored playing 6 tables, i set up my PAhud so it gives me all the info i need i got aggression on every street, fold ratio on every street, blind steal. Its just really easy to tell what kind of players im playing against, usually its not that much hard decisions, its mostly easy ones but i get outdrawn at the end (set vs flush draw etc.)

But this session was better, made near 4 buyins over 1.7k hands. Didnt get stacked once lol yey [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img], lets hope I dont get horrible marginal spots anymore.

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You've been running insanely good if 12 days hits you like this.

-Michael

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I am guessing you have less than 100,000 hands experience in total at NL25 and above?

Does everyone else think this is enough experience to play 6 tables of 6-max at NL50, then move to NL100 with the roll??

My thoughts are that if you are playing six tables, you are not thinking too deep about why you are making the decisions. Therefore, you are not learning as much per hand as someone who plays 2-tables. If you are not learning as much per hand, it is possible to earn the bankroll to move up limits, but your game is not good enough to beat the tougher players. The downswing is then inevitable.

Just my 2 cent.

I say this because I have reduced my table numbers to learn new stuff before I go to NL100. If two players of equal skill played 50000 hands before moving up, the player who did it on fewer tables would be more skillful and richer because of the higher bb/100. (but it would take him longer obv.)

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No, I play 6 tables because nl50 players are weak, the nits are easily exploitable, and the fish are just to easy, if i was playing 5/10 against regulars id go down to 4 tables, but not 50nl, playing 2 tables doesnt make you think any deeper dude...its just cause ur not used to 6 tables, I see way more hands, get way more experience then someone who plays 2 tables, and the rakeback is higher,im a good solid player, Ive got alot of friends who teach me the game and give me good tips, im stronger then the average 50nl player I know it, I just need to work on the emotional parts, I got all the tools that I need and good thinking process. Downswings are out of my control, sure I make errors, but after revision of my hands with my friend,most of them were totally out of my control. I don't think that the number of tables you play affects ur bb/100 if ur a strong player, if ur a marginal player sure. Your arguments about learning more when playing 2 tables doesnt make sense to me, You see less hands, see less marginal situations to learn from them. The important thing is to learn from the errors that you make, learn how to exploit different type of strategies using pahud to its full potential,not just the 3 basic stats, total AF is useless btw, and its not directed by how many tables you play. Anyways thats what I think

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I, too, am going through a pretty tough downswing. I think you said yours has gone on for 14 days...mine, has been going on since around July now.
I'll have spouts of upswings, but these will roughly last a single session, before the next will be extremely brutal and i'll lose all my winnings, and that little bit more.

Four times in 24 hours, i've had AQ, on a QQjunk rainbow flop. I bet, get reraised, reraise AI only for that person to be holding 22, 33, 44 or whatever and flopping a FH.
A few hours ago I limped in with 5 10o, and hit a 5 5 10 flop. Oh and what a surprise...i'm up against 10 10.

In todays session I'm dealt QJ. Flop comes down, QJJ. I get reraised all in by someone holding JK. King hits on the turn.

In around an hour, I floped three open ended straight flush draws. I played the two out of the three aggresively...none of them hit. Not even a low ended straight or a pair.

My luck just gets worse and worse. Earlier I was holding AA, I get reraised all in preflop. The guy is holding K3o (!!) - flop comes down K33, and it's game over.
Yesterday I had AA, FOUR people re-reraised preflop. It ended up being AA vs KK vs QQ vs JJ. The Kings hit the set, obviously.

Yet what amazes me, is I get people calling pot bets with inside straight draws, or top pair with [censored] kickers only to hit on the river.

I don't know what to do - i've taken two breaks in this period, neither of them doing any good...it's actually gotten worse when I return.

I removed my cash from all the sites that were being brutal. Leaving cash in just Hollywood poker...but then to my luck, as soon as I do, the tables turn for the worst on there too [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

It's tiresome and wearing me down. I used to enjoy the game - but now i've lost count of how many times i've peaked my bankroll only to lose 1/3 of it in a day

Maybe I should quit. Take my roll out and spend it on something worthwhile.

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your problem is you think you're alot better than you are judging from your last post. you were a small sample winner at 25 and 50 nl get off your high horse. you probably ran good to win and now variance is leveling out.

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graph?

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I play at much lower limits than you do.

You're almost certainly a much better player than I am.

But 6-tabling when you're not a proven winner at that level is insane.

Just my $0.02

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A few hours ago I limped in with 5 10o,

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I think I found one of your leaks....