Can you explain what these PokerTracker stats say about my PLO game?
 

I started using Pokertracker Omaha not long ago. Here are the stats for the account I'm using now. I play exclusively 6-max, single table at a time, predominantly $0.25/$0.50 and $0.50/$1 with a small number of hands higher or lower.

From what I gather, these stats tell me that I'm WAY too loose preflop and flat-call raises with any kind of hand and seldom re-raise. You would mark me out as a fish from these stats, I think. But somehow so far I am also have a BB/100 which is quite high.

From these stats, what do I need to work on? What should a loose aggressive player's stats look like? What would a TAG players stats look like?

In general, how should I be using PT to improve my PLO game?

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/369/jimm1ne6.jpg

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/4912/jimm2rj9.jpg

Apologies if this should be in the Software forum but I thought it would be better here.

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it says you're a fish and 1800 hands is nothing.

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it says you're a fish and 1800 hands is nothing.

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I got that

So what stats in particular mark me as fishy - is it more than seeing too many hands preflop and flat-calling preflop raises?

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Your VP$ISB is insanely high. I play looser from the SB than average and your playing twice as many hands as I do from that position.

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seems you play out of position a lot. as given by:

VP$ISB
and your blind defense #'s

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Thanks.

Does it look like I C-bet after raising preflop too often - 53% - so am predictable?

What % of flops should I be seeing if I want to be loose but not fishy?

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Yes, these stats are horrendously fishy.

Didn't you learn anything about winning TAG play from your professional railbirding career?

Oh yeah, you're better than the pros. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showth...ue#Post11736035

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I decided to look for stats that don't say you're a fish.

Let's see what I got...




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Non-fishy luckyjimm statistics
Ordered by non-fishiness

1) Total hands: 1,837
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Well, good luck sir!

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I decided to look for stats that don't say you're a fish.

Let's see what I got...




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Non-fishy luckyjimm statistics
Ordered by non-fishiness

1) Total hands: 1,837
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Well, good luck sir!

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his w$sd isn't too bad, although that could just be b/c he was running good.

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By way of comparison, what would the stats look like for very LAG player like Zigmund?

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ziigmund is 54/33/2.4 over the 4k hands i have of his.

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So, how do I become less fishy? What do I change? Is it just a matter of playing less hands, or is there more to it?

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play fewer hands, play position, play more aggressive. i.e. play better.

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ziigmund is 54/33/2.4 over the 4k hands i have of his.

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Noob question I know, but I'm not sure what these three stats are.
What are they, and what are mine?

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play fewer hands, play position, play more aggressive. i.e. play better.

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But every hand looks like it could have so much potential! Lol. Yes, I realise I should fold a heck of a lot more.

I do play position in the sense that the majority of my raises are from the button or one off the button, so far as I recall. I can't see where that's shown in the stats above.

I'll call a late position raise when I'm out of position with any decentish hand, though, perhaps rather more than I should.

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Stats are unimportant, but you're probably critically misplaying one out of every two hands.

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ziigmund is 54/33/2.4 over the 4k hands i have of his.

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Noob question I know, but I'm not sure what these three stats are.
What are they, and what are mine?

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vpip (how loose preflop), pre flop raise (how aggressive preflop), and total aggression factor (how aggressive postflop)

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Stats are unimportant, but you're probably critically misplaying one out of every two hands.

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Sounds like you're just saying that for the sake of being nasty, on the basis of no particular evidence. I do want to get better, and comments like that aren't helpful in any way. On the contrary, while pre-flop I'm clearly very fishy I think it's possible that I've counterbalanced this by generall playing well.

Over this small sample size, it's clearly been my trips to bigger tables that have killed me. I can't work out how to get Pokertracker to display all this info on the same screen, so I'll type it out:

$2/$4, 16 hands -$480.79. This money I'd won at lower limits over the previous few days)

$1/$2, 86 hands -$292.31. Again I'd won this money at lower limits over a longer period.

$0.50/$1, 305 hands +$692.44.

$0.25/$0.50, 1237 hands +$261.03

$0.10/$0.20, 119 hands -22.94

$0.05/$0.10, 65 hands, -$7.75

and a couple of hands at the micro tables not worth mentioning.

I should stick to $0.25/$0.50 for a few months and, if I can prove myself a winner there and build a roll, move up to $0.50/$1.

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ziigmund is 54/33/2.4 over the 4k hands i have of his.

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Noob question I know, but I'm not sure what these three stats are.
What are they, and what are mine?

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vpip (how loose preflop), pre flop raise (how aggressive preflop), and total aggression factor (how aggressive postflop)

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So my stats are 62.2/12/0.60, right?

The aggression factor is skewed so low because I stink preflop. On the flop/turn/river I'm pretty decently aggressive, I think it's saying, but correct me if I'm way off.

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$2/$4, 16 hands -$480.79. This money I'd won at lower limits over the previous few days)

$1/$2, 86 hands -$292.31. Again I'd won this money at lower limits over a longer period.

$0.50/$1, 305 hands +$692.44.

$0.25/$0.50, 1237 hands +$261.03

$0.10/$0.20, 119 hands -22.94

$0.05/$0.10, 65 hands, -$7.75


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i love it

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The aggression factor is skewed so low because I stink preflop. On the flop/turn/river I'm pretty decently aggressive, I think it's saying, but correct me if I'm way off.

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i think 2 is around the cutoff for being passive>agressive

you need to tighten up preflop, and be more agressive post if you want to be a decent player

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Your AF stats are skewed because you have the "include preflop number in total AF" checked. Unselect this option to get your AF if you want to compare it to other people/recommended stats etc., because those stats always assume PF stats are not included in the AF. Once you do this, your AF is not so horrible, but is probably a little under 2.

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I decided to look for stats that don't say you're a fish.

Let's see what I got...




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Non-fishy luckyjimm statistics
Ordered by non-fishiness

1) Total hands: 1,837
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Well, good luck sir!

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Ha ha.
GL Jimm [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I decided to look for stats that don't say you're a fish.

Let's see what I got...




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Non-fishy luckyjimm statistics
Ordered by non-fishiness

1) Total hands: 1,837
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Well, good luck sir!

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Ha ha.
GL Jimm [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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You can talk, I can't remember the last time I saw you quit a session up [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Your AF stats are skewed because you have the "include preflop number in total AF" checked. Unselect this option to get your AF if you want to compare it to other people/recommended stats etc., because those stats always assume PF stats are not included in the AF. Once you do this, your AF is not so horrible, but is probably a little under 2.

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Ah, right, thanks. So here's the second page with that box unticked - and yes, my AF is 1.81:

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/3475/jimm2lv8.jpg

I guess the AF is really influenced by the fact I am calling other people's preflop raises a lot and then check-folding the flop.

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Nope, check/folding doesn't count. It's (bet+raise)/call. Anyway, you're just a typical loose-passive fish except a little extra on the loose and not quite so much on the passive. Honestly, just play another 2,000 hands or so, but this time don't call raises with AJ86ss from the SB.

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Nope, check/folding doesn't count. It's (bet+raise)/call. Anyway, you're just a typical loose-passive fish except a little extra on the loose and not quite so much on the passive. Honestly, just play another 2,000 hands or so, but this time don't call raises with AJ86ss from the SB.

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Lol okay!

I don't know if this will affect my AF, but one thing I do quite often is check the river to induce a bluff from an aggressive opponent when I have a hand which is good enough to call a bluff but not good enough to bet out. A recent example would be when I backdoored a ten-high flush with two others in the pot. I don't want to bet it out, but after I had checked and the other player checked, the last player bet $25 into the $40 pot and I insta-called. He had a busted straight draw.

I check-raise quite a bit too, but of course it depends on the player because often you're better off just betting it out.

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Nope, check/folding doesn't count. It's (bet+raise)/call. Anyway, you're just a typical loose-passive fish except a little extra on the loose and not quite so much on the passive. Honestly, just play another 2,000 hands or so, but this time don't call raises with AJ86ss from the SB.

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Lol okay!

I don't know if this will affect my AF, but one thing I do quite often is check the river to induce a bluff from an aggressive opponent when I have a hand which is good enough to call a bluff but not good enough to bet out. A recent example would be when I backdoored a ten-high flush with two others in the pot. I don't want to bet it out, but after I had checked and the other player checked, the last player bet $25 into the $40 pot and I insta-called. He had a busted straight draw.

I check-raise quite a bit too, but of course it depends on the player because often you're better off just betting it out.

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i routinely check/call all three streets to "induce a bluff" and my aggression factor is still almost 3.

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I hate to point out the obvious but if luckyjimm just gets rid of his worst 20% hands and plays the other ones just the same, his aggression factor will go way up as it is a percentage calculation not an absolute one.

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I hate to point out the obvious but if luckyjimm just gets rid of his worst 20% hands and plays the other ones just the same, his aggression factor will go way up as it is a percentage calculation not an absolute one.

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i don't think it will go "way up," although you're right that it should go up a little as he folds more pre-flop, since the mix of hands he flops should be stronger and he'll have fewer marginal calling situations.

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Okay, I may well revive this thread when I get to 10k hands.
Since my playing is limited to the evenings and I only single-table, this may take a while. So just get on with your lives in the meantime, guys!

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Okay, I may well revive this thread when I get to 10k hands.
Since my playing is limited to the evenings and I only single-table, this may take a while. So just get on with your lives in the meantime, guys!

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Can you give us a little bit better of a date estimate? I'd like to write the date down so I can schedule some of my time to review your 10k data.

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Okay, I may well revive this thread when I get to 10k hands.
Since my playing is limited to the evenings and I only single-table, this may take a while. So just get on with your lives in the meantime, guys!

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Can you give us a little bit better of a date estimate? I'd like to write the date down so I can schedule some of my time to review your 10k data.

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Yeah, I'm figuring to be done either on your wedding anniversary, or your high school reunion. So keep that night free, okay?

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I'm kinda scared (since I'm not a pro) that you know that I'm both married and I gradualated from high school.

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I'm kinda scared (since I'm not a pro) that you know that I'm both married and I gradualated from high school.

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Lol, I was gonna say "Your son's bar mitvah" but I thought that might be a guess too far...

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I only single-table, this may take a while.

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There's your problem. Play more tables and you won't be so bored that you windup playing crappy hands.

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I only single-table, this may take a while.

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There's your problem. Play more tables and you won't be so bored that you windup playing crappy hands.

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Yeah... it's difficult tho', since single-tabling I focus more, read the other players better, and tilt a lot less. But, sure, I get bored...

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I only single-table, this may take a while.

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There's your problem. Play more tables and you won't be so bored that you windup playing crappy hands.

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Yeah... it's difficult tho', since single-tabling I focus more, read the other players better, and tilt a lot less. But, sure, I get bored...

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get a roll so you can play more than 1 table obv [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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get a roll so you can play more than 1 table obv [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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why play more than one table when you can just move up to the next level instead?

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I don't think there should be any shame in saying I can't focus properly and tilt too much if I play more than one table. Playing one table really allows me to get reads on other players. I just need to get round this tendency to play too many hands when not enough's going on.