bottom 2 + NFD
 

Villain is a regular and runs about 52/12/3 - pretty aggro overall.


Full Tilt Poker - Pot Limit Omaha Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $380.10
BB: $57.00
Hero (UTG): $206.50
BTN: $283.60

Preflop: Hero is dealt 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $7.00</font>, BTN calls $7.00, SB calls $6.00, BB calls $5.00

Flop: ($28) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $25.00</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $103.00</font>

Re: bottom 2 + NFD
 

I'm not folding here. KK is unlikely b/c he flat called out of the SB. He may have a combo draw, which we obviously own.

Re: bottom 2 + NFD
 

We're ahead of may too much to be folding

Re: bottom 2 + NFD
 

Especially with you sitting on 1 buyin, all you can eat [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: bottom 2 + NFD
 

I thought this was an auto-felt

ran into the one hand I didn't want to see

Re: bottom 2 + NFD
 

KdKx7d8d??

Re: bottom 2 + NFD
 

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KdKx7d8d??

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Isn't Kd Jd Td Kh worse? hurts the back door straights! At work, can't access two dimes ;p

Re: bottom 2 + NFD
 

Against a set we're really drawing to 1 of 7 effective outs (mediocre draw).. against a tight player a fold is on order, even tho it's tough... bottom 2 here is really an illusion of a stronger hand, but in reality, most often in this spot, it'll only give you little protection, holding 2 of his lock outs...

edit: even tho I think a fold might be correct (this is of course read dependent), I don't think I could do it, except against a total nit...

Re: bottom 2 + NFD
 

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KdKx7d8d??

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Isn't Kd Jd Td Kh worse? hurts the back door straights! At work, can't access two dimes ;p

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Nope, 7d8d makes str8 flushes as well as using up flush outs.

Re: bottom 2 + NFD
 

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KdKx7d8d??

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Isn't Kd Jd Td Kh worse? hurts the back door straights! At work, can't access two dimes ;p

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Nope, 7d8d makes str8 flushes as well as using up flush outs.

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word

Re: bottom 2 + NFD
 

your going with this hand.
what you need to ask really is --should i have opened utg for a big raise with it.

Re: bottom 2 + NFD
 

Four handed anything else would be awfully weak.

Re: bottom 2 + NFD
 

it has to be at least a set here surely? what else can he raise the max with, he may be aggro but he isnt stupid enough to raise with just flush draw

Re: bottom 2 + NFD
 

At least a set? LOL. Can he never have a draw here? This is an instashove.

Re: bottom 2 + NFD
 

i severely doubt it as he doesnt have nut flush draw and i just couldnt see someone making this play wihtout one or the other

Re: bottom 2 + NFD
 

Why do you 'severely doubt' it? The K is not a diamond so there's no reason whatsoever that villain isn't thinking 'he may have just AA or be making a c-bet so I'll take him off his hand with plenty of outs', like Kx89 with the k-high flush draw? He really doesn't need the nfd in his range of draws to be making this move with just a draw. The guy is prescribed as a regular as well, so he doesn't just checkraise with sets. Which is noobish, in case you didn't know.

Re: bottom 2 + NFD
 

You should fold you don't have the nuts.

Re: bottom 2 + NFD
 

interesting how everybody says a shove is oh so standard, but... if you know your opponent ans are about 80% sure he has a set, a fold would be the only right thing to do... seriously, one who's able to fold in this spot.... Respect!

Re: bottom 2 + NFD
 

yes, poker is easy when you know exactly what your opponent has every time

Re: bottom 2 + NFD
 

some (not that few) opponents is not hard to have an 80% read on...

situational, our guy has a set here almost always, and I love the ability to fold in this spot, and I wish I had it.... again.. respect to the one who can!

cause being all in on a draw you figure has 7 outs obviously is super spew.....

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your going with this hand.
what you need to ask really is --should i have opened utg for a big raise with it.

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I think it's pretty clear you should. You have position on the 2 guys most likely to be in the hand.