Dan Harrington. Justified stiff?
 

I have it on good record that upon winning $1.6 million at the Legends recently Dan Harrington did not tip the tournament personnel 1c. However, in his defense from what I understand this is the first year the Legends took 3% out of the prize pool for this purpose, so I guess in theory he tipped 3%. Given this, is this a justified course of action, or is "Action" Dan just a cheap bastard?

However, I also heard that he tipped each of the two security guards that walked him to his car w/ his $1.6M check $1 each. IMHO, this is ridiculously cheap and frankly offensive. I think in his position I would have tipped AT LEAST $20. I mean, seriously, why even bother tipping if you are just gonna tip $1?

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i was planning on stiffing them had i won. the rake was ridiculous and the tournament sub-standardly ran.

*edit* i found the main workers in the poker room very friendly and helpful

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If Dan didn't want to tip, that's his perogative. Gratuity isn't required. It's not like the dealers are paid like waiters where tips are an intergral part of their wage. Just because someone hit it big doesn't mean that he has to grease everybody in his proximity.

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3% is a fine tip and I for one wouldn't add anything on top of that even if I thought the tournament was ran very well.

And yes Dan is cheap. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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he talks about not tipping in HOH

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All the dealers who post on here whining about cheap players are beyond pathetic. Even the best MTT pro has only a few percentage points edge on the game after tourney fees. Pros can't afford to give away any % of their winnings. Some of them might think they can afford it, but if they knew the truth about their edge they wouldn't do it.

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i wouldnt tip a damn thing in that tourney they raked a ton.

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However, I also heard that he tipped each of the two security guards that walked him to his car w/ his $1.6M check $1 each. IMHO, this is ridiculously cheap and frankly offensive. I think in his position I would have tipped AT LEAST $20. I mean, seriously, why even bother tipping if you are just gonna tip $1?

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It's a check(for 1.6 million!), is somebody going to steal it and run to the nearest cashing place? They did probably 5 minutes of escorting (aka walking).

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The star of the last thread about someone not tipping has been doomswitched ever since. Harrington better beware.

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I have it on good record that upon winning $1.6 million at the Legends recently Dan Harrington did not tip the tournament personnel 1c. However, in his defense from what I understand this is the first year the Legends took 3% out of the prize pool for this purpose, so I guess in theory he tipped 3%. Given this, is this a justified course of action, or is "Action" Dan just a cheap bastard?

However, I also heard that he tipped each of the two security guards that walked him to his car w/ his $1.6M check $1 each. IMHO, this is ridiculously cheap and frankly offensive. I think in his position I would have tipped AT LEAST $20. I mean, seriously, why even bother tipping if you are just gonna tip $1?

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Must we? Must we REALLY?

I say NO.

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you and your silly tipping culture, everyones left with a bad taste in the mouth.

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i really dont understand america sometimes.

he gave them 3% of what he won for nothing outside the course of ordinary service. its the easiest job in the world. yada yada yada

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Assuming that 3% is being taken out for the dealers, it seems justifiable not to tip. Players cannot expect to give away huge percentages of the prize pool and still come out in the positive.

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Just because he won money doesn't mean he's required to throw it left and right to everyone he comes into contact with. It's those people's jobs. If he had that attitude he eventually wouldn't have much left now would he?

In my opinion the tipping thing goes a little too far. I mean tipping guys in bathrooms for handing you a towel in Vegas? Come on. I'll get the towel myself thank you very much. The people that play into that obviously get a rise out of "the treatment" and I don't begrudge them for it. I think it's shallow, but I don't begrudge them. If they want to blow their money like that, that's their prerogative but I'd rather give it to charity instead.

As someone said earlier, 3% was already taken out, and it's Dan. Conservative as ever.

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if the security guard thing is true, he's probably just doing it to solidify his image as a nit

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I have it on good record ...

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Exactly what does that mean?

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Dan is just upset that his mother is more impressed with his cousin Padrig.

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So he paid $48,000 in tips and people are calling him tight? How many tournament personnel were there? Even if there were say 100 (it's probably less) that's nearly $500 each in tips from Harrington alone, not including tips from everyone else.

I aslo wonder how useful the security guards were for someone carrying a cheque. It's not like it's $1.6m in cash or bearer bonds.

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I can maybe understand only tipping 3% to the staff (although i certainly would've tipped at least 50k because I am one of the vegas scumbags you all seem to be hating on), but i find it kind of offensive that he bothered to tip the guards $1..... thats ridiculous. Either tip them $20 ($100 would be better), or you do not tip them at all. (a better option than $1).

I am sorry everyone is offended by Americans tipping, I Just got back from Macau and each dealer looked at me like I was on crack when I tried to tip, but very appreciative of it once they realized what I was trying to do.

Since when is giving someone extra $$$ for a job you appreciate a bad thing?

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Wtf do you expect? He had to save SOME money to take his entourage to the strip club after the big win.

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I can maybe understand only tipping 3% to the staff (although i certainly would've tipped at least 50k because I am one of the vegas scumbags you all seem to be hating on), but i find it kind of offensive that he bothered to tip the guards $1..... thats ridiculous. Either tip them $20 ($100 would be better), or you do not tip them at all. (a better option than $1).

I am sorry everyone is offended by Americans tipping, I Just got back from Macau and each dealer looked at me like I was on crack when I tried to tip, but very appreciative of it once they realized what I was trying to do.

Since when is giving someone extra $$$ for a job you appreciate a bad thing?

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it's not a bad thing. the bad thing is chastising people for NOT giving someone extra $$.

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You also dont have to tip at hotel restaurants and other places where they add 15 % "for your convenience" but people do anyway...If a person does a good job would it really kill you to throw a few bucks more?

I mean cmon...I know that not tipping makes a statement against the rake or whatever but you cash for $6753834760948394534 would it really hurt u that much to throw the dealers some more money, consdeirng the abuse they put up with? Yeah you dont HAVE to and no one should tell you you should but....gee whiz you make a million dollars playing poker for gods sake and these dealers have had to sit there breathing in god knows what diseases and getting yelled at for things that arent their fault in 317263 different languages.

bah...whatever dont listen to me i am obv a huge softee.


sheets

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Since when is giving someone extra $$$ for a job you appreciate a bad thing?

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It's a bad thing when you raise expectations of everyone doing that job, especially when those doing that job start treating tips as a bribe to do their job well.

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You also dont have to tip at hotel restaurants and other places where they add 15 % "for your convenience" but people do anyway...If a person does a good job would it really kill you to throw a few bucks more?

I mean cmon...I know that not tipping makes a statement against the rake or whatever but you cash for $6753834760948394534 would it really hurt u that much to throw the dealers some more money, consdeirng the abuse they put up with? Yeah you dont HAVE to and no one should tell you you should but....gee whiz you make a million dollars playing poker for gods sake and these dealers have had to sit there breathing in god knows what diseases and getting yelled at for things that arent their fault in 317263 different languages.

bah...whatever dont listen to me i am obv a huge softee.


sheets

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ugh this argument is just tired and devoid of all logic. you could easily use the same logic to say "come on, you made a million dollars playing poker. now you go eat at mcdonalds. would it KILL ya to give the guy who had your big mac ready in 2 minutes an extra $10?

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Assuming that 3% is being taken out for the dealers, it seems justifiable not to tip.

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Now that you bring up the mcdonalds example, I have changed my mind. That example has so little do to with what I said and bears so little relationship to anything of this universe that it must be the analogy which is destined to change my mind...In light of the McDonalds example, and ONLY because of the mcdonalds example, I have changed my mind. Do not tip the dealers...otherwise you will be forced to tip 10$ at Mcdonalds using the same logic, and we simply cannot allow this.

sheets

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Just because he won money doesn't mean he's required to throw it left and right to everyone he comes into contact with. It's those people's jobs. If he had that attitude he eventually wouldn't have much left now would he?

In my opinion the tipping thing goes a little too far. I mean tipping guys in bathrooms for handing you a towel in Vegas? Come on. I'll get the towel myself thank you very much. The people that play into that obviously get a rise out of "the treatment" and I don't begrudge them for it. I think it's shallow, but I don't begrudge them. If they want to blow their money like that, that's their prerogative but I'd rather give it to charity instead.

As someone said earlier, 3% was already taken out, and it's Dan. Conservative as ever.

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I HATE Bathroom attendants. It drives me crazy. Like, I'm in there to do my business, wash and dry my hands, and get out. I don't want to be expected to tip. Hell, I don't even want to have to say thank you, bathrooms are for pooping, not for talking. They just throw a wrench into the whole thing.

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The security thing I think was ridiculous. The dealers are another matter, as Casino's factor in the fact that they will be tipped into their wage.

Security officers (and I know this because I unfortunately am in this line of work) are paid a wage that is set without the expectation of gratuity of any kind. I do mostly uniform work, with some plain-clothed, and I can tell you, in my three year career, I've been tipped probably twice, and both tips added together weren't enough to buy a medium 3 topping pizza from Pizza Hut.

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I HATE Bathroom attendants. It drives me crazy. Like, I'm in there to do my business, wash and dry my hands, and get out. I don't want to be expected to tip. Hell, I don't even want to have to say thank you, bathrooms are for pooping, not for talking. They just throw a wrench into the whole thing.

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In England it seems the in-thing for clubs to have Jamaican guys in the toilets singing crappy little rhymes they've made up like "clean your finger for the minger" and putting soap on your hands and [censored]. Annoys the [censored] out of me.

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ya bathroom attendents are sad but i always take gum. i dont like paying 1$ to piss, but i do. but money doesnt make me happy like 90% of people in this shallow country.so i just tip well. why are poker players so bad? shame on you dan.

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Awesome yet another thread where a few pathetic, whining ass dealers can come on here and bitch and cry about how bad they have it.

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Now that you bring up the mcdonalds example, I have changed my mind. That example has so little do to with what I said and bears so little relationship to anything of this universe that it must be the analogy which is destined to change my mind...In light of the McDonalds example, and ONLY because of the mcdonalds example, I have changed my mind. Do not tip the dealers...otherwise you will be forced to tip 10$ at Mcdonalds using the same logic, and we simply cannot allow this.

sheets

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Daryn makes a good point (even if it's mostly unintentional). It would be better to give the money to charity rather than someone who is already overpaid and/or doesn't deserve it (I am NOT saying that is the case, as I haven't looked at the numbers, but that seems to be the consensus)

I hate it when poker tournaments and/or restaurants take advantage of the fact that tip is already added, and try to guilt people into tipping double what they would tip somewhere where it is not already included.

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I rarely tip large in a tournament... I mean we are already paying rake for christ sake.

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We (meaning people who win tourneys) should really start a trend of not-tipping.

Basically every year the juice gets higher and higher, yet people keep tipping the same. It's practically a scam.

If people just stop tipping then the casinos will be forced to directly give the dealers fair compensation, and poker players can just pay the juice and be done with it.

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The American tipping culture is stupid. Why can't employers pay their staff properly and staff do the job they're paid for? Works fine everywhere else.

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You also dont have to tip at hotel restaurants and other places where they add 15 % "for your convenience" but people do anyway...If a person does a good job would it really kill you to throw a few bucks more?

I mean cmon...I know that not tipping makes a statement against the rake or whatever but you cash for $6753834760948394534 would it really hurt u that much to throw the dealers some more money, consdeirng the abuse they put up with? Yeah you dont HAVE to and no one should tell you you should but....gee whiz you make a million dollars playing poker for gods sake and these dealers have had to sit there breathing in god knows what diseases and getting yelled at for things that arent their fault in 317263 different languages.

bah...whatever dont listen to me i am obv a huge softee.


sheets

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So instead of taking 3%, they take 10% does your attitude still hold? What if they take 75%? are you still tipping because would it really kill you to give a few bucks more?

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I don't have an opinion on the tournament-staff tipping thing--I'd personally have left a little extra but I don't think it's unreasonable not to--but I must say tipping the security guards a dollar each is definitely lamer than tipping them nothing,

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Also, it's a little weird/absurd to me that poker players, who are so thoroughly spendthrift/profligate in all aspects of life, suddenly become prudent and cost-conscious at the end of a tournament and then begin penny-pinching.

For instance, I'm sure that some of you advocating not tipping in tournaments do tip bouncers at clubs--I see door-guys get $100 just to take customers to the table and much more if they're providing any kind of special treatment. Not only are these employees already grossly overpaid, but you'll never see them again or work with them in any context.

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no tip ftw. except for the security a $20 each would have been appropriate

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You also dont have to tip at hotel restaurants and other places where they add 15 % "for your convenience" but people do anyway...

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I never tip when they've already added a tip to the bill. Seriously, even if the service is outstanding and I would have normally left 20% or more had they not already added the 15%.

I figure this makes up for the occasional times they get the 15% out of me when they deserved 0% for the crappy service.