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KK, turn pairs board
No strong reads, but BB and UTG +1 both seem to be playing too many hands, and have been calling/betting most of them, but that's over a pretty small sample.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) CO (t2025) Hero (t1760) SB (t1210) BB (t3985) UTG (t790) UTG+1 (t4295) MP1 (t2595) MP2 (t5095) MP3 (t2225) Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t50, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t250</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls t200, UTG+1 calls t200. Flop: (t775) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t200</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t600</font>, BB calls t400. Turn: (t1975) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t3135 (All-In)</font>, Hero? After my flop re-raise, I was left with 900. Should I have pushed then? Not sure what to do here. I think hands like Qx, Q7, Q9, 77, and 99 are all possible with this opponent. Should I call BS with only 900 left? |
Re: KK, turn pairs board
He has you beat, unless a complete donk....fold, you still have 18bb left (.02)
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Re: KK, turn pairs board
if the villan has Q isn't he 4 betting flop? I don't see folding here with the read and the amount behind
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Re: KK, turn pairs board
an LP would prob. just call the 3 bet, esp. with QJ or QT.
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Re: KK, turn pairs board
i'd shove on the flop. Almost any Q will call you. Now you are in a guessing game and dont know if he has a 7 or a Q
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Re: KK, turn pairs board
Shoving the flop isn't bad.
My guess was that you were gonna jam on the turn, right? You're almost always beat here. I still call because I'm an idiot, but you should fold. |
Re: KK, turn pairs board
Shove the flop and you don't have this problem. Its barely over a pot sized raise and plenty of worse hands will call.
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Re: KK, turn pairs board
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Not sure what to do here. I think hands like Qx, Q7, Q9, 77, and 99 are all possible with this opponent. [/ QUOTE ] I think most players are going to check and let you shove the turn if they have these hands, given your line so far. |
Re: KK, turn pairs board
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No strong reads, but BB and UTG +1 both seem to be playing too many hands, and have been calling/betting most of them, but that's over a pretty small sample. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) CO (t2025) Hero (t1760) SB (t1210) BB (t3985) UTG (t790) UTG+1 (t4295) MP1 (t2595) MP2 (t5095) MP3 (t2225) Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t50, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t250</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls t200, UTG+1 calls t200. Flop: (t775) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t200</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t600</font>, BB calls t400. Turn: (t1975) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t3135 (All-In)</font>, Hero? After my flop re-raise, I was left with 900. Should I have pushed then? Not sure what to do here. I think hands like Qx, Q7, Q9, 77, and 99 are all possible with this opponent. Should I call BS with only 900 left? [/ QUOTE ] I think that you prob should have gotten it in on the flop, but the turn is still a call, b/c his range includes JT;T9 and underpairs...i call here getting 3 to 1. |
Re: KK, turn pairs board
I shove flop...as played I swear at the monitor & shrug & pretend I shoved flop and stick the chips in
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Re: KK, turn pairs board
Before 2nd guessing your raise on the flop, I think a Harrington style analysis is in order:
You almost certainly have the best hand on the flop, so how much you should raise should be determined by the odds you will be giving him. Naturally, you are planning to bet allin on the turn, so we only have to look at what his odds are to see the next card. After you raise, the odds are Immediate: 1575/400 = 3.94 We'll assume he gets the rest of your stack if he helps Implied: 2475/400 = 6.19 Lets say he is betting a Q or a 9 He needs 42/5 or 8.4 to 1 to make a call profitable If he is betting an open ender He needs 42/8 or 5.25 to 1 to make it profitable I think it is more likely that he has a pair, but even if each of these type hands were equally likely (50% pair, 50% open ender), then avg implied odds he needs is 6.82 to 1 You only gave him 6.19 to 1, so your raise was fine, even if he wouldn't bet an even more marginal hand, like a gutshot, pocket pair or overcards. If you think a bigger raise would lose him, then you priced it right because you actually want him to call. BTW, you didn't say what the tourney buy-in was. On the turn: Low buy in > snap-call High buy in > deep in the tank, then call |
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