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2/5 NL, in LA.
Moron is 400 behind and UTG.
I'm about 3k behind and on the button.

Moron makes it 25 to go. All fold to me and I call with AJ.
Blinds fold.

Flop is xJx.
UTG bets pot. I call cause I'm tricky.
Turn is x.
UTG bets about 150. I put him in. He tanks.

Me: come on bud, you can't call that.
Moron: whatya got?
Me: AQ obv.
Moron: That's what I thought. He calls.
River is a brick and Moron tables...wait for it...AQ.
I show and start laughing or something like that.
Moron: (shouting) You fxcking lied to me! I'm gonna kick your ass. Parking lot right now!
Me: lololololololololololo....
Table: lololololololoooo.
Floorman: Mr Moron. You have to leave.

So, assuming that he woulda reloaded did I cost myself money or was I creating a nit? Or, I was just being a jerk?

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Weak Brag Post

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Funnier if you got beat after.

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[x] Or, was I just being a dick?

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[x] Or, was I just being a dick?

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you are (a) and idiot and (b) play bad.

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Neither Table Talk or tapping, you are just a jerk off. Keep practicing those internet manners in a live game, see how long before someone taps your jaw. I would almost rather deal with the raids and the robberies in NYC that this type of nonsense, at least I know I play with grown men who have at least an ounce of class.

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Nothing wrong with this at all, it's up to the other player to determine whether or not to believe your statement. The guy believed a random opponent and then called in the hopes of chopping, how is the OP the moron?

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The key thing about telling poker stories that make you look good is that... well, they have to make you look good.

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Nothing wrong with this at all, it's up to the other player
to determine whether or not to believe your statement.,
how is the OP the moron?

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Lying about the hand was fine.

Slowrolling then laughing was the moron move.

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Lying about the hand was fine.

Slowrolling then laughing was the moron move.

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Agreed.

--klez

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Disagree. If some random donk thinks it's fair game to suddenly ask you about your hand in hopes that you will simply announce it to him, then call based on what he thinks is the truth, laughing is fine.

As for the other question, which is regarding the guy potentially leaving because of this, this is the biggest existing poker fallacy out there. Bad players do not leave games if you make fun of them, and they don't play better if you talk strategy at the table. This guy was going to leave or stay based on his own decisions, not your laughter.

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aquarium tap

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Disagree. If some random donk thinks it's fair game to suddenly ask you about your hand in hopes that you will simply announce it to him, then call based on what he thinks is the truth, laughing is fine.

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No, private amazement at his foolishness is fine. Laughing is stupid, needlessly aggressive, and lacks class.

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you are (a) and idiot and (b) play bad.

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too funny. thanks.

I did not slow roll. I immediately tabled my hand.

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No, private amazement at his foolishness is fine. Laughing is stupid, needlessly aggressive, and lacks class.

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I'm gonna agree, to the extent that it mighta been needlessly aggressive. A simple "sorry, I got you there" and laughed with him instead of embarrassing him mighta made for a more pleasant time. But I think I reaped rewards throughout the rest of the session because of this incident. My question was is this a +EV play. I think it was and if he can't take it he shouldn't play.

To the posters that insist poker must be played as if we're all English gentleman at a cricket match: Grow up. One can be friendly, and we all like that, as it makes for a better time, but my sole intent is to take your money. That's the idea. If what I do to do so falls within the rules then I'm within my rights. The hand itself was mundane at best, but I think I played it fine based on my read of moron.

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Nothing wrong with this at all, it's up to the other player to determine whether or not to believe your statement. The guy believed a random opponent and then called in the hopes of chopping, how is the OP the moron?

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you are (a) and idiot and (b) play bad.

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First time I've ever agreed with pokerbob on anything. Except I think he was too kind.

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I'm gonna agree, to the extent that it mighta been needlessly aggressive. A simple "sorry, I got you there" and laughed with him instead of embarrassing him mighta made for a more pleasant time.

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Agreed. Kudos for having the balls to acknowledge criticism.


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But I think I reaped rewards throughout the rest of the session because of this incident.

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How so? Honest question. You implied in your post that the guy was thrown out for his outburst. So you can't have made more money from him. Did others start giving you excessive respect or something?


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To the posters that insist poker must be played as if we're all English gentleman at a cricket match: Grow up. One can be friendly, and we all like that, as it makes for a better time, but my sole intent is to take your money. That's the idea. If what I do to do so falls within the rules then I'm within my rights.

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Yeah, yeah, sure. But just because you're at a poker table doesn't give you a free pass to be a dick. You are still in a public space with other people around. Don't do anything you wouldn't do in a bar, I say.

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[/ QUOTE ]"... if he can't take it he shouldn't play."

"...my sole intent is to take your money. That's the idea."

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These statements contradict: If your “sole intent “ is to “take his money“, then what difference does it make to you if he shouldn’t play because he “can’t take it.”. The first requirement that must be met to take a person’s money at a poker table - is to get them TO the poker table, not to find reasons why they shouldn’t be at the poker table.

Also, ridiculing a person just because they don’t play cards as well as you do is not evidence of someone that has grown up. It is evidence of the opposite.

But what I really don’t understand is that if you felt the way you do, then why didn’t you take the “moron” up on his invitation and meet him in the parking lot and teach him a lesson or two about growing up? Why are you here whining to us? Perhaps, could it be because he would have kicked your butt? Which begs the question - who really is the moron: The person who doesn’t play poker well, or the wussy that ridicules the play of the person who can kick their butt?

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One can be friendly, and we all like that, as it makes for a better time, but my sole intent is to take your money. That's the idea. If what I do to do so falls within the rules then I'm within my rights.

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You are playing less than optimum poker and if your intent is to make money, then you should correct it.

Morons and fish play more loosely and give more money away when they are in a good mood. It's as simple as that.

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i love guys who try to fight you when you win! hi jeremey! kindergarten teaching must be a fun way to roll!

You were 3k down????
 

Did I read that correctly? If you are 3k down in 2/5 then you are obviously not as good and "tricky" as you think you are.

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Did I read that correctly? If you are 3k down in 2/5 then you are obviously not as good and "tricky" as you think you are.

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No. He has a 3K stack.

Plus, I'm sure its very possible to be down 3k in 2/5 playing top-notch poker.

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First time I've ever agreed with pokerbob or pvn on anything. Except I think they were too kind.

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Bummer that you only get five minutes to delete a post, huh?

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I have a question for the guys saying he was a dick, etc. Are you saying he was a dick for [ ]lying [ ]laughing [ ]slowrolling (which the post doesn't say he did).

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Dude, the other guy threatened physical violence. I don't think laughing at him is out of order.

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the "moron" must be the stupidest person alive to actually believe u

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First time I've ever agreed with pokerbob or pvn on anything. Except I think they were too kind.

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Bummer that you only get five minutes to delete a post, huh?

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Not at all. I expected there would be two camps. I'm torn myself, that's why I posed the question. The responses I received from Pokerbob, et al, I expected. Some were funny, most were tedious. But the others more than make up for the flaming.

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How so? Honest question. You implied in your post that the guy was thrown out for his outburst. So you can't have made more money from him. Did others start giving you excessive respect or something?

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For a while I got a lot more action. And though I can't speak for the players' motivations, the angry/annoyed responses this post has elicited, lead me to believe they were trying to felt me out of anger. If true, they played less than optimally.

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But just because you're at a poker table doesn't give you a free pass to be a dick.

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Agreed and I'm not. I was looking for edge. If I tilt a player, a table or some players thereof, with a [censored] move and in doing so cause them to play less well than they would, have I not created an edge? That said, being an ass for an extended period of time makes for a miserable experience and is counter-productive.

Thanks for the responses. I’m still undecided.

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I have a question for the guys saying he was a dick, etc. Are you saying he was a dick for [ ]lying [X]laughing [ ]slowrolling (which the post doesn't say he did).

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Flop is xJx.
UTG bets pot. I call cause I'm tricky.
Turn is x.
UTG bets about 150. I put him in. He tanks

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I wanna know what the x's are.

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Dude, the other guy threatened physical violence. I don't think laughing at him is out of order.

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With one marginal exception I've virtually never been threatened with physical violence in 23 years of poker? Am I doing something wrong?

~ Rick

PS It's not because I'm intimidating. I'm tall but sort of have the physique of a pencil necked geek.

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Rick: Don't you know the goal is to induce threats of violence? Try harder.