AK OOP facing EP raise
 

PS $11 Nightly 20K.

Villain is 24/8/1.5 over 50 hands. Called my button raise once w/A7, then led a 97X flop, and called my value shove with QQ to double me up.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Button (t9237)
SB (t18159)
Hero (t11598)
UTG (t5593)
UTG+1 (t10827)
MP1 (t6934)
MP2 (t9085)
CO (t18141)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t1225</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>,Hero...

Edit b/c we aren't that deep.

Re: AK OOP facing EP raise
 

i think im shoving if hes been paying off with marginal hands like you mentioned

Re: AK OOP facing EP raise
 

wow, don't think I'd shove. I'd re-raise to 3k though. You could also just cc and check to him if you hit the flop and your sure to get a c bet out of him. And if you hit like an A 7 4 board you will prob stack his AQ or AJ. I'd raise or call, I'm not sure which one has a higher EV though

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I probably shove preflop. Any decent size re-raise commits about 1/3 of your stack preflop. Now that's fine if you plan to shove on any flop (Go-and-Go). But I'd prefer shoving preflop.

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I probably shove preflop. Any decent size re-raise commits about 1/3 of your stack preflop. Now that's fine if you plan to shove on any flop (Go-and-Go). But I'd prefer shoving preflop.

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Yeah. It felt like a really big overbet, but I didn't want to make a smaller raise b/c I felt he would call almost any raise or shove on me. Basically, I wanted to be sure I got the last bet in and had FE against his range rather than the opposite.

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I probably shove preflop. Any decent size re-raise commits about 1/3 of your stack preflop. Now that's fine if you plan to shove on any flop (Go-and-Go). But I'd prefer shoving preflop.

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Yeah. It felt like a really big overbet, but I didn't want to make a smaller raise b/c I felt he would call almost any raise or shove on me. Basically, I wanted to be sure I got the last bet in and had FE against his range rather than the opposite.

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yea put that way I can see how a shove is good here. A go and go could work with a raise to 3k.

But, do you think this is a good spot for a stop n go? If an ace falls you could prob stack off against AQ or AJ. I'm trying to find some spots during a tourny to work a stop and go into my game. Just wondering if this would be a good spot for that

Re: AK OOP facing EP raise
 

Raise to 4k, call an all-in or shove any flop?

Re: AK OOP facing EP raise
 

Isn't this like the ideal stack size for stop and go?

Re: AK OOP facing EP raise
 

id call and play the pot

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Isn't this like the ideal stack size for stop and go?

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Why? I'm not so familiar with the stop and go, but here, wouldnt it just commit us to pushing 9k into a 3k pot on any flop, where we only get called by better hands?

For the other guy who said something about a stop and go, and busting him if we hit an ace on the flop... how is that a stop and go?

Re: AK OOP facing EP raise
 

I'd 3-bet preflop to around t3800. That conveniently leaves you with a pot-sized bet to shove in on the flop.

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I think I am either shoving or calling, if we reraise and stick it all in on the flop we will fold out a lot of middlepairs if a K or A flops + if no K or A flops we will fold out the hands like AT and AJ which we were in front of already!!!! If this villain will call a shove with AJ and AQ I am shoving here, most villains won't though I think... (he seems loose but that loose?). I prefer to play a flop at which I will lead a decent amount of the time if no A or K hits and it contains middle to low cards in order to let him fold AJ and AQ post flop.

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I don't hate a flat call here, it seems to leave a decent pot:stack ratio with which to play AK with, and since he's UTGvBB he's going to cbet an A/K high flop almost all the time. Also, hands like AQ remain in his range -- we're going to stack him more than he stacks us.
Shoving tends to be my default in these situations. It has some FE as he's likely to fold whatever the lowest PP(s) he opens with. This opp might call AQ, which makes it even more +EV.
I don't like a go n go in general, and I don't like it that much here. I don't like it generally from a metagame/shania aspect of playing perfectly -- a shove gives your opponent the option to fold or put all the chips in, whilst a go n go gives your opponent both of those options AND the option to see a flop. Giving extra options isn't great, but can be the most exploitive. Here I don't think it is -- he may fold AQ on a J86 board, he may fold TT on a AJ6 board, but he won't make the folds we want him to like 99 on a J86 board. Overall he plays pretty "well" against it. One advantage of a go n go is if he only plays shove/fold against it (I would against a ~3K+ish raise) is he might shove slightly wider, even if he doesn't actually have FE. (We're enough of a favourite over a range of "AQ, 99, TT" to want him to)
Overall it's a very tricky stack size imo to say which is best. I prefer a shove to a go n go, but can't really decide whether flatcalling is more +EV than shoving.