Official Blather about ZeeJustin Till The End of Time Thread
 

For what its worth, I don't know Zee, and have never met him. Further, he's been a complete jerk to me in the responses he's made to my posts over time. Just less than a month ago he called me "delusional" for critisizing his AIM chat with Strassa during games. Having said all of that, I think that the punishments that Party and this forum are throwing at him are way too harsh. Yes he's a cocky young guy whose made a mistake, but I don't believe that we should allow all of his hard work in this game go down the toilet because of his violation. He has screwed up, but I believe that he deserves a second chance. Any of the guys on this forum could be misunderstood for their poker dealings in the future and would appreciate the same second chance if the situation arose. The only way that Zee gets a second chance is if the poker community decides to police itself, come up with a fair punishment, and mass email party and stars about our decisions. Taking 100K off this kid isn't right. Perhaps they ban all accounts except for the main one and strip him of a few things, but completely ruining him is too harsh. He's young and dumb, and we all know how stupid we were at that age. Its by the grace of God alone that most of us are even breathing.

Mercy is needed,

Indy

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If it were up to me, ZeeJustin would never be allowed to use a computer again.

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READ THE STICKY MORON, NO NEW ZJ POSTS.

HE CHEATED AND GOT CAUGHT, HE KNEW FULL WELL THE CONSEQUENCES WHEN HE DECIDED TO CHEAT.

PLS GO DIE NOW.

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If it were up to me, ZeeJustin would never be allowed to use a computer again.


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Think about what you are saying and put yourself in this guy's shoes. Its not like he cheated his way to wealth in this game. He's made that $$ via hard work and doesn't deserve to be stripped of his livlihood for his youthful indecision.

Indy

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In some countries they'd cut off both his hands and he'd have to use a stick attached to his forehead.

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READ THE STICKY MORON, NO NEW ZJ POSTS.

HE CHEATED AND GOT CAUGHT, HE KNEW FULL WELL THE CONSEQUENCES WHEN HE DECIDED TO CHEAT.

PLS GO DIE NOW.


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I'm calling out to the forum to have mercy on this poor kid. I didn't see the sticky and I really don't understand how these sticky's work anyway. I really don't post regularly in here anyway. Sorry if I screwed up with this post but I think that we are all being too harsh.

Indy

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I'd be careful Indiana,

I said I felt sorry for him...U will get crucified by the 2+2 for supporting cheats...

I don't support cheating like this though in any way, shape or form !

Vava

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dude, he won those two tourneys for over 200K+ total, not to mention he was an affiliate and a winning 215$ SnG player before all of this.

no way he's been stripped of his livelihood, lol.

get a clue.

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I think he should be forced to marry a goat.

now lock/move this. I hate it when a poster thinks their view is just too important to be put in the thread designated to the given subject, lest some people accidentally miss the incredible depth of his insight.

Puuuuuuuuuure EGO.

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oh cool another zeejustin post

IMPORTANT BREAKING NEWS ON 2+2: SOMEONE HAS AN OPINION ON THE ZEEJUSTIN SITUATION

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fair enough, now address my other point, that he knew the potential consequences when he decided to cheat.

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I'd be careful Indiana,

I said I felt sorry for him...U will get crucified by the MTT people for supporting cheats...

I don't support cheating like this though in any way, shape or form !

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I didn't say he didn't cheat. I just think that the punishment should fit the crime. Ruining his life is wrong and we should all reassess what we are saying. Its our resposiblity to be just.

Indy

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Give him the chair.

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Think about what you are saying and put yourself in this guy's shoes. Its not like he cheated his way to wealth in this game. He's made that $$ via hard work

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Boy, thats a load of stress off my back. Here I thought that it was likely that when a person gets caught doing something wrong, it generally means he did a lot of other stuff wrong first before he was finally caught. Glad to know that you know for a fact that all of Zee's money was earned legitimately, and the only times he has ever cheated were the times he was caught.

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dude, he won those two tourneys for over 200K+ total, not to mention he was an affiliate and a winning 215$ SnG player before all of this.

no way he's been stripped of his livelihood, lol.

get a clue.


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Why begrudge his success? I smell jealousy all over this forum. Look inside yourself and ask how you would feel if you were Zee. Yes, he's messed up but he worked hard to build his reputation and obviously did not realized how major his violation was or he wouldn't have done it.

Indy

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all that you have said in this thread has been said 20 times already in the thread dedicated to the situation.

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all that you have said in this thread has been said 20 times already in the thread dedicated to the situation.

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Then why is nothing being done to properly deal with this situation? We, in fact, govern what Party/Stars can do, believe me. If we stand up and say its too harsh they will listen to what we say. Its too harsh.

Indy

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dude, he won those two tourneys for over 200K+ total, not to mention he was an affiliate and a winning 215$ SnG player before all of this.

no way he's been stripped of his livelihood, lol.

get a clue.


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Why begrudge his success? I smell jealousy all over this forum. Look inside yourself and ask how you would feel if you were Zee. Yes, he's messed up but he worked hard to build his reputation and obviously did not realized how major his violation was or he wouldn't have done it.

Indy

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The dude dropped out of college to lead a lonely life and make a lot of $. I don't envy him. I was impressed by his poker skill until now.

he wasnt stripped of his livelihood, he had plenty of $ on top of what they took. on top of that, you're saying he should STILL BE ALLOWED TO PLAY THERE? are you nuts?

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because the majority of people (at least those that have spoken up) disagree with you.

and if you think what stars did was too harsh, thats just absurd.

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I'd be careful Indiana,

I said I felt sorry for him...U will get crucified by the MTT people for supporting cheats...

I don't support cheating like this though in any way, shape or form !

Vava



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I didn't say he didn't cheat. I just think that the punishment should fit the crime. Ruining his life is wrong and we should all reassess what we are saying. Its our resposiblity to be just.

Indy

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Ruining his life? The kid is still up hundreds of thousands of dollars from online poker, how is his life ruined? Maybe he will find it more difficult in the future to make a living playing online poker, but you know what? He's not [censored] entitled to that lifestyle anymore. Sucks to be him that he might actually have to go out and get a real job.

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Any of the guys on this forum could be misunderstood for their poker dealings in the future and would appreciate the same second chance if the situation arose.

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Regarding me and this sentence:
You, sir, are incorrect.

He made his bed. Don't try to fluff his sheets.

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properly deal with? lol. ok youre a retard, /ignore.

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Poor guy ZeeJustin. Such a harsh and tough poker forum. I hope none of you guys ever need any mercy in life.

Indy

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By the way, way to mistitle a post such as to make it appear to contain a statement that you are posting from ZeeJustin, on his behalf, thus to increase the number of views you get.

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Poor guy ZeeJustin. Such a harsh and tough poker forum. I hope none of you guys ever need any mercy in life.

Indy

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By the way, way to mistitle a post such as to make it appear to contain a statement that you are posting from ZeeJustin, on his behalf, thus to increase the number of views you get.


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I'm not even half smart enough to think of something like that. So harsh, harsh harsh harsh. Mean poker players here. This game will never have the merit it deserves because its full of mean people.

Indy

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He's not a kid.

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He's not a kid.


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Yah he is. I'm 30 and when I look back to the chit I did 10 yrs ago it makes me gasp how I could have even considered those things. MERRRRRRRRRRRRCCCCCCCCCCCCYYYYYYYY PEEEEEEEEEEEOOOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Indy

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This game will never have the merit it deserves because its full of mean people.



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How deliciously ironic.

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By the way, way to mistitle a post such as to make it appear to contain a statement that you are posting from ZeeJustin, on his behalf, thus to increase the number of views you get.


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I'm not even half smart enough to think of something like that. So harsh, harsh harsh harsh. Mean poker players here. This game will never have the merit it deserves because its full of cheaters like ZeeJustin who have to have every edge .

Indy

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FYP.

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Poor guy ZeeJustin. Such a harsh and tough poker forum. I hope none of you guys ever need any mercy in life.

Indy

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Commodus leaving OOT to post in the main ZJ thread would be absolutely perfect.

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READ THE STICKY MORON, NO NEW ZJ POSTS.

HE CHEATED AND GOT CAUGHT, HE KNEW FULL WELL THE CONSEQUENCES WHEN HE DECIDED TO CHEAT.

PLS GO DIE NOW.

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chill out. this post is ridiculous. The op brought up reasonable points. You sound like the leader of an angry mob.

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Doesn't anybody hear what I'm saying? Is there anybody in here over 21 yrs of age who can impart some maturity on this situation?

Indy

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Ok, what type of cheaters should Party Allow back?

They took away 100k? So you must know how much he won by cheating if you think this is to harsh?

I am 37, Old enough?

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Indiana: He had SIX horses. SIX HORSES!!!!

6!

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If ZeeJustin started naming names and others started getting caught because of it would anyone feel any differently towards him?

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I'm not saying exactly what should be done. Honestly, I haven't thought through it and perhaps I'm not smart enough to do so on my own but I'm not so stupid that I cannot see what is happening here. Do you really think that he should never be able to play online again for the rest of his life for something he did at 19 yrs of age???? Probation, house arrest, maybe, but complete termination of his poker career? It ain't right.

Indy

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Yes, plenty of people hear what you're saying - they also posted in the original thread. I don't think ZeeJustin should be banned for life from poker like others do, but the fact that cheated makes it likely for him to cheat again, just in ways that cannot be detected by the online poker sites. There is no reason to think he will ever be an honest player again - and if you read his abomination of a statement in the original thread, the only trace of remorse is that he got caught.