A2s against Mr Mega Maniac
 

This guys stats were 100%/56%/9.2 after 97 hands. Pretty damn impressive I thought. I mean, if you're going to do something do it properly that's what I say.

So what do you think of this line?


PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (5.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.25 BB

Re: A2s against Mr Mega Maniac
 

Perfect.

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Good to play against a man committed to his craft. Well played.

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I suppose once I've hiked up my skirt, picked up my balls and called on the flop, the rest I woulda done the same. And apparently from his stats, you are comparing your hand to truly any random hand, I think I would likely do the same. Especially if I've seen him act this way over a 100 hands.

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I wonder what his cutoff for raising PF is. And what he won't bet with postflop.

The hand looks fine by the way.

What are you doing if the turn isn't an A?

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I wonder what his cutoff for raising PF is. And what he won't bet with postflop.

The hand looks fine by the way.

What are you doing if the turn isn't an A?

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Honestly - probably whether or not somebody raised in front of him along with some ridiculous cutoff.

I still call this down, no ace.

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does he ever check behind on the river? does he fold much?

i would consider bet/calling the river, if I thought he might bluff. if he was really awful maybe c/r/call 3bet. seems like we're ahead a lot.

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does he ever check behind on the river? does he fold much?



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If he limps in preflop then he can find a fold on the flop. But if he raises preflop then he's taking it all the way and will only back down with complete air. Even then he'll still call the river. He was up about 40BB if that's believable. He didn't seem to like me very much though.

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Looks good to me.

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You have to get in more bets agianst this guy with top pair, even on that nasty board.

c/ring river looks best imo.

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I show this down without a pair sometimes against those stats.

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You have to get in more bets agianst this guy with top pair, even on that nasty board.

c/ring river looks best imo.

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I think that's a bad idea. If you raise this river it will be 3bet.

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I like c/ring turn.

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You have to get in more bets agianst this guy with top pair, even on that nasty board.

c/ring river looks best imo.

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I think that's a bad idea. If you raise this river it will be 3bet.

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Thus more bets, not more 'bet'.

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You have to get in more bets agianst this guy with top pair, even on that nasty board.

c/ring river looks best imo.

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I think that's a bad idea. If you raise this river it will be 3bet.

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Thus more bets, not more 'bet'.

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Fine, but if you play this way against such an opponent be prepared for very high varience.

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You have to get in more bets agianst this guy with top pair, even on that nasty board.

c/ring river looks best imo.

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I think that's a bad idea. If you raise this river it will be 3bet.

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Thus more bets, not more 'bet'.

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Fine, but if you play this way against such an opponent be prepared for mad buckz.

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ok

Edit: Push every +EV opportunity. Raising this guy on the turn or river with top pair is +EV.

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calling this flop can't be +EV

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Well done. Too bad if he has a hand this time, but against those stats, you have to get to showdown. I don't completely disagree with pushing a raise on the turn or riv, but I would just call down. This is a scary board. Any 10, any two broadways, and any two clubs beat you. He could also have ace-rag (definately in his raising range, lol), and then you are only playing for half the pot.

Good calldown, good hand.

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calling this flop can't be +EV

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you really want to fold?

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calling this flop can't be +EV

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Board: Jc Qc Kd
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 51.4814 % 47.90% 03.58% { Ad2d }
Hand 2: 48.5186 % 44.93% 03.58% { random }

Edit: But yeah, it's razor thin. If there wasn't money in the pot already in the pot it's a fold, and if you had the 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] instead it's probably a fold. Or if you knew he only bet 9-high or better it's probably a fold. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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He was up about 40BB if that's believable.

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Yeah, it's believable.

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He didn't seem to like me very much though.

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This isn't a big surprise either. I think maniacs get really sick of me interfering with their fun, sometimes.

Anyway, your play in the posted hand seems all right to me. I probably see a showdown against this guy even if I don't catch an ace or a straight.

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calling this flop can't be +EV

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you really want to fold?

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he raises 1/2 of his hands preflop - presumably he limps his junk

there aren't many hands that he raises pf that we're ahead of right now (ax, kx, qx, jx, pp), and even if we're ahead he has at least 6 outs

I really don't like it

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there aren't many hands that he raises pf that we're ahead of right now (ax, kx, qx, jx, pp),

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If you add those up, that's a lot of hands.

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there aren't many hands that he raises pf that we're ahead of right now (ax, kx, qx, jx, pp),

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If you add those up, that's a lot of hands.

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sorry, those are all the hands we're behind - I said it in reverse

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calling this flop can't be +EV

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you really want to fold?

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he raises 1/2 of his hands preflop - presumably he limps his junk

there aren't many hands that he raises pf that we're ahead of right now (ax, kx, qx, jx, pp), and even if we're ahead he has at least 6 outs

I really don't like it

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I'm thinking a 56-percent PFR guy probably doesn't have entirely consistent standards.

Plus, on the flop in any case, we're not in such terrible shape against an Ax, Kx, Qx, Jx, PP range. We've got 7 outs against a lot of the hands in that range, plus a backdoor flush.

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Yeah, it was the backdoor flush that sealed the flop call for me. Without that I probably would have folded.

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just for fun I tossed the top 1/2 of hands in PokerStove vs. Hero's hand:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

494,010 games 0.721 secs 685,173 games/sec

Board: Kd Qc Jc
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 65.9214 % 58.80% 07.12% { 33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A2o+, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T8o+, 98o }
Hand 2: 34.0786 % 26.96% 07.12% { Ad2d }

this is if you get to the river - you're putting in 5SB to get the 4.5 + 5 = 9.5SB - so ~2:1 effective odds as 2:1 underdog

I'll admit that it's an either-or situation, but I just fold this

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Interesting. There is one further consideration. Metagame purposes. I think against this type of player in these types of heads up situations with this sort of hand, you have to start calling him down to blunt his bluffing tactics. I picked this spot for it.

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Interesting. There is one further consideration. Metagame purposes. I think against this type of player in these types of heads up situations with this sort of hand, you have to start calling him down to blunt his bluffing tactics. I picked this spot for it.

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good point - I respect that

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I always worry what maniacs like this back into. I like the way you played it. I might think about raising the river but what do we do with the inevetible three-bet here? Well played. nice hand.

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Interesting. There is one further consideration. Metagame purposes. I think against this type of player in these types of heads up situations with this sort of hand, you have to start calling him down to blunt his bluffing tactics. I picked this spot for it.

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This is a good point in a sense but at the sametime do you think a 100/56 player really pays attention at all? If I find a player that has that VPIP and PFR I just act as if they randomly press the raise and call buttons and act according.

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I pokerstoved the villain with various 55% ranges for flop, turn, and river. You have odds to call the flop. You have a little more than 50% equity on the turn. So any bet that goes in here is money in your pocket. Check-raise is great here because he is nearly certain to bet. On the river you are 50/50 at best. So check call is correct.

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Interesting. There is one further consideration. Metagame purposes. I think against this type of player in these types of heads up situations with this sort of hand, you have to start calling him down to blunt his bluffing tactics. I picked this spot for it.


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Isn't blunting his bluffing the last thing you want to do?

If he's bluffing to much that's a mistake you'd prefer he continues.

Re: A2s against Mr Mega Maniac
 

I raise river and expect 80% of the time to win.

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Watch the Poker Theory forum for the topic " i experimented with ultrlag strategy and it netted 40 bb"