Pokerstars 5 dollar MTT/ Deepstacks, pleasent problem.
 

This is my friend who played this hand and we where discussing the best line vs a bad player. Basically how much should we bet on the flop? Aim to get his entire stack or to milk him?

Preflop might be debatable lol but please ignore it.

PokerStars Game #11669037688: Tournament #58622892, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (1000/2000) - 2007/08/24 - 16:43:50 (ET)
Table '58622892 81' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: XXXXXXX (38967 in chips)
Seat 2: XXXXXXX (35573 in chips)
Seat 3: tagtrengfan (119732 in chips)
Seat 4: XXXXXXX (23063 in chips)
Seat 5: XXXXXXX (82522 in chips)
Seat 6: XXXXXXX (61200 in chips)
Seat 7: XXXXXXX (15557 in chips)
Seat 8: XXXXXXX (68282 in chips)
Seat 9: XXXXXXX (100301 in chips)
XXXXXXX: posts the ante 200
XXXXXXX: posts the ante 200
tagtrengfan: posts the ante 200
XXXXXXX: posts the ante 200
XXXXXXX: posts the ante 200
XXXXXXX: posts the ante 200
XXXXXXX: posts the ante 200
XXXXXXX: posts the ante 200
XXXXXXX: posts the ante 200
XXXXXXX: posts small blind 1000
XXXXXXX: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tagtrengfan [T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
XXXXXX: folds
XXXXXX: folds
XXXXXX: folds
XXXXXX: calls 2000
XXXXXX: folds
XXXXXX: folds
tagtrengfan: raises 4000 to 6000
XXXXXX: folds
XXXXXX: folds
XXXXXX: calls 4000
*** FLOP *** [3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
XXXXXX: checks
tagtrengfan bets?

Re: Pokerstars 5 dollar MTT/ Deepstacks, pleasent problem.
 

Check behind bet/raise turn and hope he improved.

Re: Pokerstars 5 dollar MTT/ Deepstacks, pleasent problem.
 

What's with the preflop raise

Re: Pokerstars 5 dollar MTT/ Deepstacks, pleasent problem.
 

discussing best line vs a bad player...he raised with 10 3 off from EP??!! What does that make him...anyone can work on extracting when they catch lightening but even though you asked to ignore pre it's too bad not to address...

Re: Pokerstars 5 dollar MTT/ Deepstacks, pleasent problem.
 

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discussing best line vs a bad player...he raised with 10 3 off from EP??!!

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From the button, not EP

still though

Re: Pokerstars 5 dollar MTT/ Deepstacks, pleasent problem.
 

Ehh fine you tried to steal whatever. Check behind. hope he bets on the turn and has somewhat improved. Otherwise bet light on the turn to induce a raise.

Re: Pokerstars 5 dollar MTT/ Deepstacks, pleasent problem.
 

I'm betting 6500-7500 here every time.

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I'm betting 6500-7500 here every time.

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Okay. Thats what Hero did actually and got called by K8.
But we cant get it allin by the river if we dont bet pott (unless villian raises at any point, which he is unlikely to do).
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So as a pure EV decision how would a big pott bet be?

Re: Pokerstars 5 dollar MTT/ Deepstacks, pleasent problem.
 

preflop is not debatable and cant be ignored, its horrid

Re: Pokerstars 5 dollar MTT/ Deepstacks, pleasent problem.
 

I min-bet

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preflop is not debatable and cant be ignored, its horrid

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might be debatable lol

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I didnt post this to discuss preflop play. Why is it so hard to just ignore it as a bad steal, and focus on the situation postflop?!

Re: Pokerstars 5 dollar MTT/ Deepstacks, pleasent problem.
 

hard to ignore something that is that laughably bad. and potting the flop is pretty results oriented without a read that he stacks off with something other than a king here.

Re: Pokerstars 5 dollar MTT/ Deepstacks, pleasent problem.
 

Pot-bet on the flop can only possibly be the correct play if he happens to have a K, which he did. You can't know that though. All other lines suggested in this thread will be more profitable against villain's complete range (which given your description of him, is pretty wide).

Re: Pokerstars 5 dollar MTT/ Deepstacks, pleasent problem.
 

Everyone saying to check behind, realize please how often you DON'T Cbet your hands here. This is red-flag-oh-rama.

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Everyone saying to check behind, realize please how often you DON'T Cbet your hands here. This is red-flag-oh-rama.

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If this guy is as bad as OP describes, we probably don't have to worry too much about him reading our check as a monster hand.

Re: Pokerstars 5 dollar MTT/ Deepstacks, pleasent problem.
 

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Pot-bet on the flop can only possibly be the correct play if he happens to have a K, which he did. You can't know that though. All other lines suggested in this thread will be more profitable against villain's complete range (which given your description of him, is pretty wide).

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Will it? I mean isnt this a situation where we might get a little value by slowplaying or playing soft, but the times he has the king he will get pretty cheaply away.
So by just betting strong we will win a huge pott occasionally.
Im leaning towards that it would be more profitable EV wise to make a pottsized bet. Assume villian never will laydown any king.

Re: Pokerstars 5 dollar MTT/ Deepstacks, pleasent problem.
 

It really depends on the type of 'bad' player he is. But once he calls a decent flop bet, chances are good enough he has a king to start overbetting the pot and trying to get all in.

Re: Pokerstars 5 dollar MTT/ Deepstacks, pleasent problem.
 

can't ignore preflop cause it goes to the villan's whole style of play/image...lucky to still be in with chips if indicative...hand is irrelevant as in the long haul villan will be one of those who gets chips early and gets nowhere IMO