400NL AA - Do you value bet this river?
 

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $12</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $42</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, UTG calls $30.

Flop: ($90) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $72</font>, UTG calls $72.

Turn: ($234) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $160</font>, UTG calls $160.

River: ($554) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero...

Villain is a solid 19/8/2.5 regular whose game I respect.

By the time he's at the river, I put him on AsK, KK, and maybe QQ. I discount QQ a lot because I think he dumps it on the turn. But maybe if he had the Qs he'd still stick around, who knows.

Basically, the only hand I see paying me off is KK, and he probably even folds that to a river shove.

Who checks behind on riv and who shoves?

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Please God check this river behind.

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I check.

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I check because of this...

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Basically, the only hand I see paying me off is KK, and he probably even folds that to a river shove.

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You put him on 3 hands, and two of them beat you. Seems like an easy check too me...

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Ty, guess the play was simple enough.

Just making sure my analysis was correct because I did check behind and he showed KK.

I think he would have been committed enough to call a 160 river push, seeing as the pot is already &gt;550

And upon further analysis, i'd say QQ is out of the question, because he'd open push the riv to get value out of my narrow range.

Leaves him with AsK or KK. Not sure what % of the time he has those, but its gotta be pretty close.

Either way, a check wasnt too bad.

Ty for input

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Its a check, with offsuite 2 I would definetly bet.

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I check.

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I check.

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That might be the funniest avatar evar. I laughed my ass off. What's it from? Is it real?

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PokerStars Pot-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Button ($242.50)
SB ($300.35)
BB ($136.80)
UTG ($486.40)
UTG+1 ($92)
MP1 ($418.10)
MP2 ($309.25)
Hero ($435.90)
CO ($397.40)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $12</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $42</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, UTG calls $30.

Flop: ($90) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $72</font>, UTG calls $72.

Turn: ($234) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $160</font>, UTG calls $160.

River: ($554) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero...

Villain is a solid 19/8/2.5 regular whose game I respect.

By the time he's at the river, I put him on AsK, KK, and maybe QQ. I discount QQ a lot because I think he dumps it on the turn. But maybe if he had the Qs he'd still stick around, who knows.

Basically, the only hand I see paying me off is KK, and he probably even folds that to a river shove.

Who checks behind on riv and who shoves?

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Yeah, the check here seems super standard.

However, I'm interested in the turn. I assume you are planning a bet/fold here. I'm not sure I like the bet on the turn.

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Also, I'd be interested in what he had. I'm assuming you won since you posted this wondering if you should value bet. However, at first glance, I'm thinking you lost to AsK. I'd be interesting in knowing what he had. Doesn't seem to be a good spot for someone to get stubborn with 99 unless you have a great rep for firing twice and checking the river [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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solid players can show up here with AsKx? rly? I expect to be good here most of the time but it's pretty [censored] tough to expect KK to call another big bet... though you don't actually have enough left for your bet to be very big... meh

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Also, I'd be interested in what he had.

[/ QUOTE ]he said his opponent had KK.

I'm also interested if the turn was a b/f or not?

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solid players can show up here with AsKx? rly? I expect to be good here most of the time but it's pretty [censored] tough to expect KK to call another big bet... though you don't actually have enough left for your bet to be very big... meh

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Well, I mean really...what hand range can he have here. Is he really going to just call PF with KK? Maybe he has AJ here; however, I wouldn't think a solid player would be calling a raise with AJ. I don't know man. I'm trying to put him on a hand here, and I can't come up with anything else.

What range can you plug in here soah?

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Also, I'd be interested in what he had.

[/ QUOTE ]he said his opponent had KK.

I'm also interested if the turn was a b/f or not?

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Oh. I missed that. Is this a common play PF when oop?

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anything but calling pf in his spot seems pretty bad without crazy history.

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I check behind for sure. Who are you on stars btw?

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anything but calling pf in his spot seems pretty bad without crazy history.

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Would you please explain why to me?

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anything but calling pf in his spot seems pretty bad without crazy history.

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Would you please explain why to me?

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Because 4betting is stupid with 100 BB and no history/metagame.

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anything but calling pf in his spot seems pretty bad without crazy history.

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Would you please explain why to me?

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Because 4betting is stupid with 100 BB and no history/metagame.

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anything but calling pf in his spot seems pretty bad without crazy history.

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Would you please explain why to me?

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Because 4betting is stupid with 100 BB and no history/metagame.

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Its not the best way to get value and makes you easier to play against...not to mention that some people fold after 4betting.

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anything but calling pf in his spot seems pretty bad without crazy history.

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Would you please explain why to me?

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Because most of the time they are folding anything other than AA/KK.

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I also think river is a shove.

Wouldn't he shove the river himself with QQ?

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I also think river is a shove.

Wouldn't he shove the river himself with QQ?

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Wow...I see no value in the shove tho.

And thx for the responses on teh KK PF...makes a lot of sense.