30/60- KQ facing 3bet c/r on a Q-high drawy flop
 

Live 30/60. I mostly play 15/30 but there was a really soft spot playing in the 30 so I decided to sit in. Since joining the game about 45 min or so prior to this hand I'd been very aggressive due to a run of good cards but had only gone to showdown twice, winning both hands. My image is probably somewhat laggy.

8-handed. I raise in MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO, button and both the blinds call.

We go to the flop 5-handed.

Flop is Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

Blinds check to me, I bet, CO raises, button folds, SB 3bets, BB folds, I?

CO had just joined the game, no read whatsoever on him, but he bought in for 2k and I think he's a regular 30 player so I assume he's decent. SB is a good regular 30 player from what I understand but I have no prior history vs. him. I'm pretty sure he knows that I usually play 15/30 and am taking a shot in the 30/60.

Re: 30/60- KQ facing 3bet c/r on a Q-high drawy flop
 

cappucino!

Re: 30/60- KQ facing 3bet c/r on a Q-high drawy flop
 

4-bet, charge the draws and worse Q's. That or call and bet or raise a safe turn. But I think it would be easier to play the hand out by 4-betting.

Re: 30/60- KQ facing 3bet c/r on a Q-high drawy flop
 

easy fold...

Re: 30/60- KQ facing 3bet c/r on a Q-high drawy flop
 

If you cap here it becomes easier to figure out where you are on the turn. I think you are ahead of the cutoff at this point. Small blind may have AQ, a set, or a strong draw. Once you cap the flop and the SB check raises the turn it is an easy fold against most players.

Re: 30/60- KQ facing 3bet c/r on a Q-high drawy flop
 

who said 4 bets = cap?

fold = good...

Re: 30/60- KQ facing 3bet c/r on a Q-high drawy flop
 

I think Its close btw a cap and a call on the flop.

If were viewed as lag sb may be puting us on a draw/ and have a weaker q. With big pot like this I'd like to stick around and re eval on the turn.

I agree w/ what the previous poster said about a cap making it easier to play on the turn. Its a tough spot though... If we do hit a queen we may have to pay off an AQ if we go ui on river.

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Re: 30/60- KQ facing 3bet c/r on a Q-high drawy flop
 

Is there a cap now that the pot is heads up?
If 4bet = cap, i think its best to do just that, as its unlikely hell donk blank turn (easy fold then IMO), thus you can check behind on turn (b/c i feel you behind >>>> ahead thus saving 1/2bet=> implying calling river bet).
This does give draws free cards, but cold 3-bet would be v aggro (read dependent if he's that type of player)
..I guess I dont really know what you want to see on turn/river other than a Q that makes you feel better about your hand.

Re: 30/60- KQ facing 3bet c/r on a Q-high drawy flop
 

So you think you're behind but you want to cap?

Re: 30/60- KQ facing 3bet c/r on a Q-high drawy flop
 

do we want this hand to go to showdown? I was inferring from other posts that we want to.
If you call 3-bet on flop, you callng blank turn & river in hopes that he missed or has a worse q?
I would rather cap, use judgement on blank turn on betting or not, don't really want to bet/fold turn.

Re: 30/60- KQ facing 3bet c/r on a Q-high drawy flop
 

In this game 4bets=cap, unless it's HU then there's no cap but we're not HU on the flop.

Re: 30/60- KQ facing 3bet c/r on a Q-high drawy flop
 

I think you are either slightly ahead, or way (nearly dead) behind. You're dead against a set. If someone has JT, a K is no good against Q9. and Kh is no good against a flush draw. If you call, CO could pop it again, and then what. If you cap it, then you are almost forced to bet out on the turn if SB checks. And if SB bets out, then what. And it could get raised again. If you think CO will call behind you, then call, pray for a brick and check around on the turn, then you can consider a crying call on a river brick. Although is seems weak, fold is not a bad option.

Re: 30/60- KQ facing 3bet c/r on a Q-high drawy flop
 

To clarify, why are we capping here after the SB 3 bets us?

Re: 30/60- KQ facing 3bet c/r on a Q-high drawy flop
 

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I think you are either slightly ahead, or way (nearly dead) behind. You're dead against a set. If someone has JT, a K is no good against Q9. and Kh is no good against a flush draw. If you call, CO could pop it again, and then what. If you cap it, then you are almost forced to bet out on the turn if SB checks. And if SB bets out, then what. And it could get raised again. If you think CO will call behind you, then call, pray for a brick and check around on the turn, then you can consider a crying call on a river brick. Although is seems weak, fold is not a bad option.

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These were my thoughts as well before I decided to post the hand. Thinking about the hand I wasn't sure if folding is little weak-tight, but I think it's the right play in this spot.

At the table, I thought it was a close decision between all 3 options, and when I'm faced w/ such a decision I tend to favor aggression so I capped. CO and SB called. Turn was the J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and we checked around. Blank river and we checked around again. SB tabled A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and CO mucked. He later said he had KQ as well.