QJs reraised by short stack
 

Live $3K MTT, blinds 1500/3000/300, average stack 83K, and I start with 51.5K. I raise in 3rd position to 9K with QJs. Short stack on the button pushes for another 28K. I am getting 1.85-1 pot odds. If I lose, I have 14.5K; if I fold, 42.5K, and if I call and win 94.5K. Haven't been at table that long, but villain is middle aged, appears to be solid but not a nit, and not a strong player, but not obviously bad. Call or fold.

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folddddd (pre-flop)

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I would rarely open fold QJs with 5 players to act in a live tournament with ante. Sometimes I make a smaller raise or limp. I set the raise size to look strong, but have an easy fold to a reraise from someone who covers me. Do you mean fold to the reraise?

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folddddd (pre-flop)

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I would rarely open fold QJs with 5 players to act in a live tournament with ante. Sometimes I make a smaller raise or limp. I set the raise size to look strong, but have an easy fold to a reraise from someone who covers me. Do you mean fold to the reraise?

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yea i meant open fold, but raising is fine too i guess. i would lay it down after the reraise though.

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I would open push if I were to play this hand.

I would play this hand if I felt the table dynamics were
favorable.

Bruce

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Getting what you are getting + he is not super-desperate yet, I think your EV ranges from slightly - to breakeven with the call.

You probably have already done the Stove work, but thats what it basically comes down to. Unless he is shoving super-wide, then it becomes slightly positive.

But I don't think we see a range like any pair, medium Aces up, and a few big suited broadway hands (KQo or KJs) often enough in this spot in a live tourney.

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Open-pushing is awful

Raise/fold is fine here, but less than 3X BB is preferable and maybe just open-fold if your table isnt a typical nitty ass live table

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it's close... i'd probably let other factors about the table influence my decision

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Open-pushing is awful

Raise/fold is fine here, but less than 3X BB is preferable and maybe just open-fold if your table isnt a typical nitty ass live table

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Agreed, and I think it's a marginally -EV call as described.

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I think folding is completely out of the question once we raise. Even random old dudes aren't folding 77 here I don't think.

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Open-pushing is awful

Raise/fold is fine here, but less than 3X BB is preferable and maybe just open-fold if your table isnt a typical nitty ass live table

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First of all, this is a live tournament with big antes and tight play. Second of all, I love to play suited connectors and am willing to limp if I don't want to raise, so I never open fold this.

Agreed, and I think it's a marginally -EV call as described.

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I'd agree w/ djk if only it wasnt going from 14bbs to 5bbs. Thats a very huge strategical difference obv losing your fold equity, and i think that is enough to push u over the edge to the fold column. Obv a very close situation in a normal case, but I think i'd call.

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i def raise this but live with antes prob to 2.5bb or so since people don't squeeze or resteal enough live. As played, I muck becuase I'd much rather preserve my FE for the future steals I will attempt later this orbit.

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Open-pushing is awful

Raise/fold is fine here, but less than 3X BB is preferable and maybe just open-fold if your table isnt a typical nitty ass live table

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agree 100%

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Stealing blinds is okey with QJ but against a re-raise at a tight table its a fold.

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Yeh, I figured I had a pot odds call, but I didn't think about how I only have 5xBB if I lose. I figured villain could have an underpair or maybe AT or something. I also wasn't sure if he thought he might have FE.

Villain showed AKs same suits, so I was 34%, slightly behind pot odds. Hit a Q on the flop, but a K on the river. Pushed A6o the next hand and 88 pushed over top and busted me.

Not exactly true I don't have FE with 5xBB, but it puts me in the uncomfortable position of doing a lot of pushing. If I won the A6o hand, I would have been back to 13xBB. I probably have a lot of cEV+ plays real short stacked.

With 14xBB, I have a stack for pushbotting or restealing. With 32xBB if I had called and won, I am the 2nd biggest stack at the table, and probably can exploit that.

As for the raise size, I was sometimes raising 2.5xBB. There was a huge stack in CO flat calling a lot. I wanted to represent I had something like AK/TT and wasn't folding to a reraise, but I was planning to raise/fold. Also, if I am called, I have a big pot and can get allin with any pair or draw. If I had made it 7.5xBB, I would have folded to villain's push here.