This should be standard now 5/10
 

Villian is liquidice, a reg who runs at 21/17. Normal amount of history. Im seen as Tag. If you call what are your plans for the turn?


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

SB ($1334)
BB ($904.50)
Hero ($974.50)
MP ($1466.75)
CO ($2999.25)
Button ($1722.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $35</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls $35, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($85) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $60</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $190</font>.

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the power of position..i don't want to get frisky against a villain with those stats so i fold.

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yea I think I fold as well

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folding is so effing weak. At 5/10 people making testing raises all the time and this seems like one of them

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in 3 betting awful here? i think it is a pretty good spot to semi-bluff where you are flipping often, if he has a set you have 9 outs, he probably doesnt have AA or KK, the only time you are really screwed here is if he has a made flush higher than yours or like AQ with A spades.

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in 3 betting awful here? i think it is a pretty good spot to semi-bluff where you are flipping often, if he has a set you have 9 outs, he probably doesnt have AA or KK, the only time you are really screwed here is if he has a made flush higher than yours or like AQ with A spades.

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i quite like this, id be interested to hear other opinions.

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I like 3 betting. You have a ton of outs unless he happens to have AspadesQ, and you should get a ton of folds.

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folding is so effing weak. At 5/10 people making testing raises all the time and this seems like one of them

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so you do what? call and lead some turns? call and cf others?

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Would you 3bet your sets and flushes here?

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What about when he has KsQx?

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Spike a Jack.

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Would you 3bet your sets and flushes here?

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...yeah


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What about when he has KsQx?


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then we're fooked

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folding is so effing weak. At 5/10 people making testing raises all the time and this seems like one of them

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Yeah I agree, I call here at least once.

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I call and reevaluate mostly, shove sometimes.

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call

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in 3 betting awful here? i think it is a pretty good spot to semi-bluff where you are flipping often, if he has a set you have 9 outs, he probably doesnt have AA or KK, the only time you are really screwed here is if he has a made flush higher than yours or like AQ with A spades.

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3 betting is not so good because there are lot of hands that are "close" and he may make a close call which turns out to be quite ahead of you in this situation. 3 betting here is not that good because he could potentially call with a lot of hands.

Flop check isnt awful yes?

But as played, seems like a b /f

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I call and reevaluate mostly, shove sometimes.

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I assume we are folding to this raise if we don't have the Js, correct?

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3 betting is not so good because there are lot of hands that are "close" and he may make a close call which turns out to be quite ahead of you in this situation. 3 betting here is not that good because he could potentially call with a lot of hands.

Flop check isnt awful yes?

But as played, seems like a b /f

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I have no idea what you are saying here.

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3 betting is not so good because there are lot of hands that are "close" and he may make a close call which turns out to be quite ahead of you in this situation. 3 betting here is not that good because he could potentially call with a lot of hands.

Flop check isnt awful yes?

But as played, seems like a b /f

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I have no idea what you are saying here.

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yeah, there is basically no hand that fits your description. every hand that is "quite ahead" of us is a pretty easy call for villain.

i like shoving. folding is too weak and if we call then we're going to be oop and have no idea where we stand on any turn card. with a decent draw and decent made hand i'd like to be ai on the flop. with AxAx or maybe AsKx i'd be happier about calling (but would still push AK).

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I like shoving or whatever 3bet size you'd do with a set/flush.