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JKratzer 08-23-2007 02:14 PM

favorite way to start a session
 
no history, 3rd hand at the table.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $3/$6 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $1,201.00
BB: $616.10
UTG: $769.00
Hero (BTN): $600.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $18.00</font>, SB folds, BB calls $12.00

Flop: ($39) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $24.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $48.00</font>, Hero calls $24.00

Turn: ($135) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $120.00</font>, BB calls $120.00

River: ($375) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets all-in for $414.00</font>

Unknown Soldier 08-23-2007 02:15 PM

Re: favorite way to start a session
 
just fold to the mr 1st time, as played i dont like river

Teh1337zor 08-23-2007 02:16 PM

Re: favorite way to start a session
 
I really dont like this without history or a feel for how villain is playing

AAismyfriend 08-23-2007 02:17 PM

Re: favorite way to start a session
 
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just fold to the mr 1st time, as played i like river

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Unknown Soldier 08-23-2007 02:19 PM

Re: favorite way to start a session
 
i wish you'de explain instead of just doing that...

DJ Sensei 08-23-2007 04:18 PM

Re: favorite way to start a session
 
I'm with mr. AA here, I think its a fold to the minraise because, well, why are we calling?

once he checks turn I am not sure how much I like betting, but I think we need to since we floated his flop with nothing and he might have a pair or something that needs to fold.

And river I like, because I put him on a one-pair hand and he should fold it most of the time. JT is a very good possibility, as is like T9 or even TT or maybe something that picked up a backdoor flush draw. Whatever he has, I sure don't think its strong enough to call a shove, and our range is full of big hands (any overpair or big set is perfectly reasonable)

KitanaiCALL 08-23-2007 04:21 PM

Re: favorite way to start a session
 
i like the push on the river, and im assuming its ur favorite way to start a session cuz it worked.

wiggs73 08-23-2007 04:25 PM

Re: favorite way to start a session
 
I'm with unkown soldier on this one, although against some guys, flop and turn can be fine so I don't hate it. I think after turn he just doesn't fold enough on riv tho.

LurkerAnon 08-23-2007 04:34 PM

Re: favorite way to start a session
 
WTF -- when are we JUST CALLING his flop min-raise with an overpair...like 5% of the time? In fact, if I saw this line I'd think that we were the ones holding j-10. Not to mention, river looks exactly like what it is, trying to push him off of a Q. Maybe I just don't play with you enough, but do you play k-10/QQ/JJ this way?

JKratzer 08-23-2007 04:46 PM

Re: favorite way to start a session
 
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WTF -- when are we JUST CALLING his flop min-raise with an overpair...like 5% of the time? In fact, if I saw this line I'd think that we were the ones holding j-10. Not to mention, river looks exactly like what it is, trying to push him off of a Q. Maybe I just don't play with you enough, but do you play k-10/QQ/JJ this way?

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this is a pretty dry flop. i could definitely show up with any big hand (overpair/set/etc.). none of which is too relevant since we have no history.

AcTiOnJaCsOn 08-23-2007 04:48 PM

Re: favorite way to start a session
 
In my experience plays liek this when i have no information on the villian have come back to haunt me.

KRANTZ 08-23-2007 04:49 PM

Re: favorite way to start a session
 
i like turn and river but i don't like flop at all. check back or just fold to the minraise, holla

LurkerAnon 08-23-2007 04:54 PM

Re: favorite way to start a session
 
I'm just saying what it looks like to me -- someone who doesn't know your play too well. I'd prefer 3-betting or folding flop...that would make more sense to me. But as played I don't mind how the hand went down in terms of the turn and river.

Gary Stevenson 08-23-2007 04:59 PM

Re: favorite way to start a session
 
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WTF -- when are we JUST CALLING his flop min-raise with an overpair...like 5% of the time? In fact, if I saw this line I'd think that we were the ones holding j-10. Not to mention, river looks exactly like what it is, trying to push him off of a Q. Maybe I just don't play with you enough, but do you play k-10/QQ/JJ this way?

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this is a pretty dry flop. i could definitely show up with any big hand (overpair/set/etc.). none of which is too relevant since we have no history.

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obviously we'd play a big hand (KK/AA, AQ, 2pr, set) like this. only problem is against an unknown idk if they'd think that so i'm not sure how often you're going to get them to fold so i'd probably just dump the flop. however i think since you called the flop mr ur line is ok

LurkerAnon 08-23-2007 05:03 PM

Re: favorite way to start a session
 
what does his min-raise mean to you...i think that if i had a monster, say QQ or 99, i'd want my min-raise to rep j-10. The thinking then becomes, if i rep j-10 with my min-raise, wouldn't Kratzer have wanted to push us off J-10 if he had an overpair rather than just calling the min-raise. Blah blah blah, hopefully you get my point as it's 5pm and I want to bounce from work

pepper123 08-23-2007 05:10 PM

Re: favorite way to start a session
 
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I'm with unkown soldier on this one, although against some guys, flop and turn can be fine so I don't hate it. I think after turn he just doesn't fold enough on riv tho.

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i think betting the turn and checking behidn on the river is pretty bad since we don't even have any showdown value vs the one draw on the flop (JT).

in fact i wouldn't be surprised at all if he showed up with JT here.


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