Why is it that pokerstars is such a popular site for online players?
 

For the everyday grinder they offer no rakeback promotion, and only at the highest vip levels do they offer nice perks. I understand the high volume of players makes the site very attractive to people who want to multi-table, but it seems like these players are missing out on very lucrative rakeback deals. Could somebody please fill me in if im overlooking some details of the vip packages at pokerstars, thanks.

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I believe the rake itself is lower at pokerstars. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, many people have worked out RB %s for FPPs based on your VIP level.

Add in game selection and availability and it's easy to see why they do so much business.

I just wish they'd stick to a 1/2 structure at all limits tho.

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For the everyday grinder they offer no rakeback promotion, and only at the highest vip levels do they offer nice perks. I understand the high volume of players makes the site very attractive to people who want to multi-table, but it seems like these players are missing out on very lucrative rakeback deals. Could somebody please fill me in if im overlooking some details of the vip packages at pokerstars, thanks.

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internet gambling is where you post this.

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in small stakes fix limit there were some posts about how much rake each site take. search for it.

brief overview:
rake at 2-4
stars: 2.4 BB/100
Party: 3.2 BB/100 (i am not exactly sure, but it's 3.xx)

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Exactly. Rake is significantly lower than on any other site except full tilt.
If you play 15k hands a month 3/6 you'll be platinum star, do this constantly and you are supernova. Platinum star already offers ~25% rakeback which is fine considering the competition on sites that offer more.

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And I believe as a supernova you get about 25% of that back in FPPs, right? So it's not a bad deal, actually. So that's 1.8 BB/100 then, equivalent to 43% RB at a party-like site. (even though 1.8 BB/100 is, of course, still a sick amount to pay. They generally make more than you do...)

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supernova is 30% rakeback if you take 1500$ for points bundles.

if you do amazon or expedia vouchers it's even a bit more.


but whats the deal with 4x% party like site... i guess I need to have a PM [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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supernova is 30% rakeback if you take 1500$ for points bundles.

if you do amazon or expedia vouchers it's even a bit more.


but whats the deal with 4x% party like site... i guess I need to have a PM [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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No, I just meant with 25% rb at stars you pay an equal absolute amount at party with 43% rb, because the stars rake is lower to start with. So I was comparing to the various, easily found, 30% RB deals on different rooms.

Of course it still can't compete with some 100% rb prop-deal.

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don`t forget about fish.a lot of pure players in stars.if u loosing player in some of the sites,u might get wining one in stars.and if u make to supernova u will do ok with all your cash back,allso it`s free tourneys going every week 50k for supernova,and 20k for any of vip,in the end of the month another 50k for gold members.i`m usualy playing it simple.all in or nothing.and i`m finishing in money position a lot.as nobody playing it seriously.well stars is a choice

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In my experience stars has by far the toughest competition...

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Honey- u ever play on Absolute?

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Thats exactly what I was thinking. a 6-man table at Absolute usually means at least 3 2+2ers. I remember two weeks ago thre was a Cowboys33 siting and I swarmed to get a seat on every single one of his tables. On two of the tables I could name 3 of the others players from this site and the third I new the screen name of all 4 other 2+2ers

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No, I have not played there.

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In my experience stars has by far the toughest competition...

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They need some terrible customer service (like Party) to scare away some of them nits.

Juk [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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And I believe as a supernova you get about 25% of that back in FPPs, right?

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It varies by stakes and table-size so it also depends on your preferred game.
For some players it can definitely be higher than 25%.

I've read that on SNG's and MTT's for SN's it is 27%. I believe that SNG's and MTT's will be the only games where the RB equivelncy remains consistent.

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I think that many of us value customer service, customer respect, and basic integrity. That pretty much leaves PokerStars alone as a major site, and (as far as I know) WPEX as a minor site.

There is nothing that could make me play at (for example) FTP or Absolute, or at the lower tier; these are companies that just completely fail to meet the basic requirements of corporate ethics and competence.

Do you really want to deal with somebody you don't trust just to get a better rakeback arrangement?

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For the everyday grinder they offer no rakeback promotion, and only at the highest vip levels do they offer nice perks. I understand the high volume of players makes the site very attractive to people who want to multi-table, but it seems like these players are missing out on very lucrative rakeback deals. Could somebody please fill me in if im overlooking some details of the vip packages at pokerstars, thanks.

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I don't know why, but I disagree with the person who said that even those who do poorly on other sites can win on Pokerstars. To the contrary, Pokerstars is the toughest site of them all. Either them or Full Tilt.

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For me it's all about feeling that my money is safe and accessible at all times. If for some reason you have a problem at Stars you can email them and get it resolved within the hour.

Good Luck trying to deal with Full Tilt or UB or whoever if something happens with your account (hacked, frozen, cashout issues, etc.).

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The fish are there because of Moneymaker.
The sharks are there because the fish are there.

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I keep $$$ there for the MTT's.

As a Euro player, I agree that I have much better options for Ring - generally I don't play sites without much softer tables and at least 50% RB or equivalent...

At higher stakes though, the rake become much less of an issue than at $100NL or $200NL tables and Stars do have a lot of players and therefore the better game selection may well make up for the fact that the average player is a bit tougher.

Also at higher stakes the saftey of your $$ and great customer service becomes of paramount importance, and their VIP system sucks less.

To be honest Stars is the best site for MTT's, easiest for push-botting lots of SnG's at once, fine for the micro or higher stake cash player. It's just for the $50NL to $200NL non-US player that its cash games suck compared to some other sites...

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The fish aren't there.
The sharks are there because it is one of the few games in town suitable for multitabling .

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Tuff

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lol

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in small stakes fix limit there were some posts about how much rake each site take. search for it.

brief overview:
rake at 2-4
stars: 2.4 BB/100
Party: 3.2 BB/100 (i am not exactly sure, but it's 3.xx)

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This isnt exactly the way my figures look like
At NL25 it is

Party 2,7BB/100hands
Stars 7BB/100 hands