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Surprised no one is posting about this. LJ signed a six-year deal, the terms of which have not been released.

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Priest Holmes breaths a sigh of relief.

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Awesome, KC just went from a 3 win team to a 6 win team this year.

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damnit, there was no way he was doing it, but i was hoping he would scru over fantasy owners...

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my guess he plays 3yrs of the deal tops

hope he got a big signing bonus

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so i can cut michael bennett now?

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Surprised no one is posting about this.

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Because nobody cares except KC fans. It's not like he wasn't going to play.

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6/45 with 19 guaranteed...


ssooo...how long before he finds something to complain about??

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I think KC got hosed on this deal. He has so much wear and tear already. 6 more years? Yeah right.

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Uhhh... so much wear and tear already?

You know there are 10 RBs in the league that have DOUBLE the career carries of LJ, right? Including LT who has well over twice as many.

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Also I don't think anyone is saying he plays for 6 years. I think that's just them giving him what he asks for.

For perspective, the Broncos signed Travis Henry for 6 years with $12 million guaranteed and that guy is 30 years old and has literally no chance to play 6 seasons.

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Uhhh... so much wear and tear already?

You know there are 10 RBs in the league that have DOUBLE the career carries of LJ, right? Including LT who has well over twice as many.

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You do realize he broke the record for carries, right. You do realize the guy who broke it before him played (Jamal Anderson) only a couple hundred more carries. It's not a big deal to have a ton of carries throughtout your career, he just paid a huge price last year by dominating the carries on his team.

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Uhhh... so much wear and tear already?

You know there are 10 RBs in the league that have DOUBLE the career carries of LJ, right? Including LT who has well over twice as many.

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The concern is that his carries came over a very short span of time, much like how pitchers who have individual counts > 120 are much more susceptible to injury than pitchers who have higher average counts but lower peaks.

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I guess in the NFL it's different, though. Nothing is guaranteed, so I guess the deal isn't that bad. If he's washed up in 3 years they can just release him, right? I'm not sure exactly how it works.

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^^kc, yea, they can get rid of his contract for the most part, so that's partially y players want so much in gaurantees and bonus money, so they don't get scrued later, so many contracts are ridic long, but doubt they get fulfilled, maybe reworked if even that...

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Also I don't think anyone is saying he plays for 6 years. I think that's just them giving him what he asks for.

For perspective, the Broncos signed Travis Henry for 6 years with $12 million guaranteed and that guy is 30 years old and has literally no chance to play 6 seasons.

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12 million <<<<< 25 million.

Everything is about guaranteed money in the NFL, the Broncos can run him for 3 years for 4 million/per, whereas after LJ breaks down in 3 years (or less), KC is paying him 8 million/per.

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Also I don't think anyone is saying he plays for 6 years. I think that's just them giving him what he asks for.

For perspective, the Broncos signed Travis Henry for 6 years with $12 million guaranteed and that guy is 30 years old and has literally no chance to play 6 seasons.

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12 million <<<<< 25 million.

Everything is about guaranteed money in the NFL, the Broncos can run him for 3 years for 4 million/per, whereas after LJ breaks down in 3 years (or less), KC is paying him 8 million/per.

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Henry<<<<<<<<<LJ

I know quite well the history of following up years like that. However, ppl saying a lot of carries over time doesn't matter are wrong. That can be every bit as bad for a guy's prospects if you look at the histories.

I'm all over the LJ is an injury-risk bandwagon. At the same time we can't lose sight of how young this guy is in terms of career carries. Even going back to college he barely had any.

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Also I don't think anyone is saying he plays for 6 years. I think that's just them giving him what he asks for.

For perspective, the Broncos signed Travis Henry for 6 years with $12 million guaranteed and that guy is 30 years old and has literally no chance to play 6 seasons.

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12 million <<<<< 25 million.

Everything is about guaranteed money in the NFL, the Broncos can run him for 3 years for 4 million/per, whereas after LJ breaks down in 3 years (or less), KC is paying him 8 million/per.

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....and?

Lets compare Peyton's salary with Jeff Garcia's now! [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Sorta hijack related to LJ: We all know that Tomlinson being called "LT" is sorta bull due to Lawrence Taylor's rightful ownership to that nickname. In Larry Johnson's case, is "LJ" OK since he shares the exact name with the previous holder of that nickname?

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Sorta hijack related to LJ: We all know that Tomlinson being called "LT" is sorta bull due to Lawrence Taylor's rightful ownership to that nickname. In Larry Johnson's case, is "LJ" OK since he shares the exact name with the previous holder of that nickname?

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It has nothing to do with the name of the previous, and everything to do with how good they were. Besides, Larry Johnson was Grandmama, isn't that enough?

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Good for him. As a PSU homer I'm glad to see he'll get some big money before Herm Edwards kills him. He'd be stupid not to hold out and renegotiate with the workload they give him.

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If the Chiefs are smart they will run LJ into the ground the next couple years then trade him for the farm. That would be just about perfect timing.

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If the Chiefs are smart they will run LJ into the ground the next couple years then trade him for the farm. That would be just about perfect timing.

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You do realize older backs aren't worth crap to most teams. A lot of teams could have gotten Shaun Alexander for a 2nd round pick around 3 years ago before his big season. I was shocked when the Redskins were dumb enough to offer Bailey for Portis, for the most part of the last 10 years, RBs 28 years+ aren't worth much at all in the NFL trade markets.

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If the Chiefs are smart they will run LJ into the ground the next couple years then trade him for the farm. That would be just about perfect timing.

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You do realize older backs aren't worth crap to most teams. A lot of teams could have gotten Shaun Alexander for a 2nd round pick around 3 years ago before his big season. I was shocked when the Redskins were dumb enough to offer Bailey for Portis, for the most part of the last 10 years, RBs 28 years+ aren't worth much at all in the NFL trade markets.

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Marshall Faulk was traded for a 2nd and 5th round pick when he was 27.

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If the Chiefs are smart they will run LJ into the ground the next couple years then trade him for the farm. That would be just about perfect timing.

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You do realize older backs aren't worth crap to most teams. A lot of teams could have gotten Shaun Alexander for a 2nd round pick around 3 years ago before his big season. I was shocked when the Redskins were dumb enough to offer Bailey for Portis, for the most part of the last 10 years, RBs 28 years+ aren't worth much at all in the NFL trade markets.

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Marshall Faulk was traded for a 2nd and 5th round pick when he was 27.

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I don't think Suzzer had a 2nd and 5th in mind when he said "the farm."

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If the Chiefs are smart they will run LJ into the ground the next couple years then trade him for the farm. That would be just about perfect timing.

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Run LJ into the ground, PRAY he holds up playing every game in those 2-3 years without a huge injury (small chance of that), and then trade a RB on the wrong side of 30 in this NFL market?

Don't really see that happening.

If LJ is going to get traded, the most likely scenario I see is he plays 13-16 games the next 2-3 years, gets around 1500 yards, the Chiefs draft a RB in the 1st-2nd round next year or the year after and then trade LJ for a 3rd-4th rounder in like 2011.

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If LJ keeps getting 400+ carries per season, he probably won't last past 30 years old.

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If the Chiefs are smart they will run LJ into the ground the next couple years then trade him for the farm. That would be just about perfect timing.

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You do realize older backs aren't worth crap to most teams. A lot of teams could have gotten Shaun Alexander for a 2nd round pick around 3 years ago before his big season. I was shocked when the Redskins were dumb enough to offer Bailey for Portis, for the most part of the last 10 years, RBs 28 years+ aren't worth much at all in the NFL trade markets.

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Marshall Faulk was traded for a 2nd and 5th round pick when he was 27.

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Do you think a HOF player at other critical positions would be traded for this? This really isn't that much.

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If the Chiefs are smart they will run LJ into the ground the next couple years then trade him for the farm. That would be just about perfect timing.

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You do realize older backs aren't worth crap to most teams. A lot of teams could have gotten Shaun Alexander for a 2nd round pick around 3 years ago before his big season. I was shocked when the Redskins were dumb enough to offer Bailey for Portis, for the most part of the last 10 years, RBs 28 years+ aren't worth much at all in the NFL trade markets.

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Marshall Faulk was traded for a 2nd and 5th round pick when he was 27.

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Do you think a HOF player at other critical positions would be traded for this? This really isn't that much.

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This is correct. I mean, look at what Deion Branch went for.

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The Jamal Lewis comparisons are really overdone. Yah, Jamal Lewis carried it a bunch of times one year and then kind of sucked after that. After his 2000 yard season, he also missed a bunch of time the next year for violating the drug policy and then literally WENT TO JAIL. So, unless carrying the ball 400 times in a season makes you a coked out criminal, I think LJ is okay for the foreseeable future.

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KC had to give in eventually, zero leverage. Seems good for both sides. LJ doesn't need training camp and should not play in preseason anyways. This would have been news if it happened like two months from now. All went as expected.

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The Jamal Lewis comparisons are really overdone. Yah, Jamal Lewis carried it a bunch of times one year and then kind of sucked after that. After his 2000 yard season, he also missed a bunch of time the next year for violating the drug policy and then literally WENT TO JAIL. So, unless carrying the ball 400 times in a season makes you a coked out criminal, I think LJ is okay for the foreseeable future.

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It's the Jamal Anderson comparison not Jamal Lewis.

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The Jamal Lewis comparisons are really overdone. Yah, Jamal Lewis carried it a bunch of times one year and then kind of sucked after that. After his 2000 yard season, he also missed a bunch of time the next year for violating the drug policy and then literally WENT TO JAIL. So, unless carrying the ball 400 times in a season makes you a coked out criminal, I think LJ is okay for the foreseeable future.

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It's not just Jamal Lewis. It's virtually every back that's ever done this. Shaun Alexander, Edgerrin James, Terrell Davis, Eddie George, Gerald Riggs.

Guys that have survived it are slim - Dickerson, Payton, LT (who had 30 less carries and goes out of bounds faster).

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Everyone except the clueless Cardinals knew James was almost done. LJ hasn't played 2 full seasons. I don't think he's quite cashed yet.

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I wasn't talking about last year's Edgerrin James, but 2000's Edgerrin James. He nearly iht the 370 mark his rookie year, hit 380 his 2nd year, and got injured the next year.

Jamal Anderson didn't even have 300 carries the year before he had 410, but it didn't matter.

However, even if Larry doesn't decline or suffer a catastrophic injury from workload, he still has to deal with aging teammates and a broken offensive line.

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Edge would have been fine in Indy last year. They have a good/great O-line and a great set of WRs along with one of the best Qbs period. On a team with a rookie QB, a horrid o-line, he couldn't possibly succeed.

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Once again, I'm talking about Edgerrin James of 2000, not 2005.

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Everyone except the clueless Cardinals knew James was almost done. LJ hasn't played 2 full seasons. I don't think he's quite cashed yet.

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I don't think it is so much that James was done as it was they were spending their money in the wrong place. They needed to upgrade their o-line, not their RB. The could have stuck LdT back there and he probably would have gone for <4 ypc.

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I wasn't talking about last year's Edgerrin James, but 2000's Edgerrin James. He nearly iht the 370 mark his rookie year, hit 380 his 2nd year, and got injured the next year.



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You can't seriously be suggesting that Edge getting hurt in 2001 was due to workload? Its not like he broke down, he got hit while his foot was planted and tore his ACL. No lesser amount of carries is going to prevent a random hit to the knee.

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It's not like all knees are created equal. Perhaps running into the line 400 times made it easier to tear his ACL.