200: JJ OOP in Blind War
 

Hate these hands and trying to find some clarity here:

Villain is 31/5/2.5 and is pretty active in the game.

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MP1 ($330.75)
MP2 ($245.25)
<font color="#C00000">MP3 ($200)</font>
CO ($257)
Button ($433)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($171.25)</font>
<font color="#C00000">BB ($218.45)</font>
UTG ($204.55)
UTG+1 ($200)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7</font>, BB calls $4.

Flop: ($13) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $16</font>

What's the plan here?

Re: 200: JJ OOP in Blind War
 

btw, in this hand MP3 folded out, and it folded to me...took that action off on accident.

Re: 200: JJ OOP in Blind War
 

Call
C/C
if he checks turn value bet river.

Re: 200: JJ OOP in Blind War
 

MP3 folded on the folp right?

PFR is too weak, OOP with a limper I make it at least $10. On the flop how much is in the pot? $21? Your bet is far too weak. I'm sure you're ahead, that min raise doesn't scare me.

As played re-pop to $65ish as you don't want to see anymore cards. Probally fold to a push, and hate it.

Re: 200: JJ OOP in Blind War
 

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Call
C/C
if he checks turn value bet river.

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Does it matter to you if his turn bet is 1/2 pot sized or pot sized?
Are you calling again on the river (if he bets the turn)?
Are you willing to get all-in calling along with this hand?

Re: 200: JJ OOP in Blind War
 

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MP3 folded on the folp right?

PFR is too weak, OOP with a limper I make it at least $10. On the flop how much is in the pot? $21? Your bet is far too weak. I'm sure you're ahead, that min raise doesn't scare me.

As played re-pop to $65ish as you don't want to see anymore cards. Probally fold to a push, and hate it.

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The numbers in the post are not really consistent, but I think MP3 was not involved in the hand at all. If so, his bet sizes are not outrageous.

What is your plan if he calls your reraise? (OOP sucks.)

Re: 200: JJ OOP in Blind War
 

gee wiz...I'm not sure what went down with this HH.

This folded around to me in the sb...mp3 was not invovled.

Re: 200: JJ OOP in Blind War
 

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MP3 folded on the folp right?

PFR is too weak, OOP with a limper I make it at least $10. On the flop how much is in the pot? $21? Your bet is far too weak. I'm sure you're ahead, that min raise doesn't scare me.

As played re-pop to $65ish as you don't want to see anymore cards. Probally fold to a push, and hate it.

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FM:

I'm sorry about that. This folded to me in the sb. The pot on the flop was $12.

I'm really starting to hate mid pps in these spots PF. It seems like they just drip with RIO.

Re: 200: JJ OOP in Blind War
 

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MP3 folded on the folp right?

PFR is too weak, OOP with a limper I make it at least $10. On the flop how much is in the pot? $21? Your bet is far too weak. I'm sure you're ahead, that min raise doesn't scare me.

As played re-pop to $65ish as you don't want to see anymore cards. Probally fold to a push, and hate it.

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The numbers in the post are not really consistent, but I think MP3 was not involved in the hand at all. If so, his bet sizes are not outrageous.

What is your plan if he calls your reraise? (OOP sucks.)

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I still make it $10 PF. Actually I hate my line and probbly would rather call down. Reraising the flop does nothing good and I'm sure your ahead.

Re: 200: JJ OOP in Blind War
 

Well...here's how it went down. Thing was tho, after his flop raise, I just sat there in a cloud of uncertainty, so the rest of the hand was meaningless to me since I had no plan.

The pot was $44 after I called his flop raise.

Turn: 2c

I check and call a $24 bet.

Pot is $92

River is a 9d

and I check and call a $60 bet.

Re: 200: JJ OOP in Blind War
 

Did he make quads? 9d would of scared me on the turn since top pair is what we are hoping he's playing on the flop. I don't think an underpair plays it this aggro. I seriously consider mucking that turn.

Re: 200: JJ OOP in Blind War
 

This is ugly. I raise a little more PF but other than that I would feel pretty lost and probably c/c like you did.
By river I don't know what we beat, but it is also a perfect spot for him to bluff. I think we have to fold river though, as we can only beat a bluff.
I don't think he'd vbet anything less than trip 9's here, and I think he'd bet more if it was a bluff.

Especially against a 31/5 I bet 4-5BB PF, since I know he's coming along with a lot and this little bit extra will narrow his range a lot for how little a difference in $ it actually is.
We really don't want to suck him in too much with only JJ. I like to either take the blind or have him at least give us credit for a big hand so he doesn't think he can take us off easily, since I'm not thrilled about facing big pressure with JJ

Re: 200: JJ OOP in Blind War
 

The more I think about this hand the more i like leading the turn, especially w/ the 2 falling. I think you have the best hand so you make him pay. If raised again you can safely fold. If he calls I would c/c most rivers.

That 9 on the river is sick, I don't think i could call that as played. Unless you think hes the type to 3 barrel w/ middle pair, I thik its a fold.

What did he have, my guess K9?

Re: 200: JJ OOP in Blind War
 

He had 78o

Re: 200: JJ OOP in Blind War
 

I see this as an emerging trend at these limits.

They will apply lots of pressure with weak draws against SB cause he thinks you were just stealing. I love this spot with a big hand and an agressive player and look to exploit that thinking.

I think your big mistake here was not pushing the turn HARD. I would have potted it to see where I stand.

Re: 200: JJ OOP in Blind War
 

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They will apply lots of pressure with weak draws against SB cause he thinks you were just stealing.

I think your big mistake here was not pushing the turn HARD. I would have potted it to see where I stand.

[/ QUOTE ]He had a straight on the flop and the second part I quoted is just bad. I could see a fold to a shot on the river though esp. with what hit this time but I mean in general.

Re: 200: JJ OOP in Blind War
 

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They will apply lots of pressure with weak draws against SB cause he thinks you were just stealing.

I think your big mistake here was not pushing the turn HARD. I would have potted it to see where I stand.

[/ QUOTE ]and the second part I quoted is just bad.

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Wow......Aggressively pursuing a raised pot with TP on a weak board is bad - eh? If you can't raise into that board in this hand....then you should just fold your JJ OOP always. Silly.