LC - Why don\'t you play 6 max ?
 

So far I have only played full-ring cash games online (about 25000 hands) and my reasons for playing it is that this is what is played in casinos and I would eventually like to play live games so I see this as a training period. I also prefer to play a TAG game and my opinion is that 6-max is more suited to a LAG player.


However, everyone else I know who plays cash games plays 6-max and their main reason for doing this is that they say 6-max is more profitable for a winning player because they will be playing more hands vs the losing players..

What do you think? Do you agree ? Why do you play full-ring ? Why don't you play 6-max ?

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They are right. 6-max is more profitable. There is also more variance. If you like fr, then play fr.

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I played 6-max for most of the first 1/2 of this year. The variance is gross. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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I played 6-max for most of the first 1/2 of this year. The variance is gross. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Try limit if you want gross variance. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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Yea,

I am slowly going to make a transition. It is obvious that it is much more suitable for my style anyways(16/13-18/13 or so at FR, I played 24/22 when I tried out some 6-max), but right now the profit at FR is so easy I can't convince myself to leave and learn a new game quite yet.

I don't mind variance because playing with a big BR would make it feel like it isn't bad at all and I would also drop down a level to play it so the money wouldn't be huge.

But if anyone wants to pay me 10k/month while learning to play 6-max I will gladly do it :P

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theres also more very good regs to deal with in six max.

Its a much more competitive game.

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My plan is to get solid at FR and then switch.

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theres also more very good regs to deal with in six max.

Its a much more competitive game.

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This was my experience. 3betting light is common down to 50NL 6Max, something you rarely see at 50NL FR.

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Same reasons - I'm naturally a TAG so FR fits my personality, I prefer less varience, casino play is FR. Plus with so many pros and semi-pros playing 6-max, why the hell would I want to play that? Give me a table full of chumps, any day.

Also, I like being the most aggressive player at my table. 6-max players play back at me too much and take me off my game. I know i will need to adjust to good, aggressive players, but at FR you don't start seeing tables full of them until 100NL+. I'm still in the micros where TAG ABC play gets the money.

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This was my experience. 3betting light is common down to 50NL 6Max, something you rarely see at 50NL FR.

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How light is light?

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I play full ring because my first instinct when I get raised on the flop is, "OMG HE HAS IT!"

Where as to play 6-max your first instinct has to be, "this guy is full of #$%@!"

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theres also more very good regs to deal with in six max.

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There's also more donkeys at 6-max tables. The action-junkie types that run into the nuts every time at FR usually move to 6-max.

I play both and i like both. But they are different games. A single FR hand is more complex, there's always someone trying to trap you, and you are always trying to trap someone.

An individual 6-max hand tends to be simpler. In 6-max, straightfoward aggression plays a much bigger role. But on the other hand, since you can't avoid a player the way you can in FR, playing the player become more important.

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Mostly because nearly everyone on this site is playing 6-max. That leaves me to believe (along with my results at both), that the fields at the FR tables are filled with a higher percentage of bad players.

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This was my experience. 3betting light is common down to 50NL 6Max, something you rarely see at 50NL FR.

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How light is light?

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lol, That's player dependent don't you think? I just know it happens more.

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This was my experience. 3betting light is common down to 50NL 6Max, something you rarely see at 50NL FR.

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How light is light?

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lol, That's player dependent don't you think? I just know it happens more.

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Standard 3bet range would probably be 99+, AQ+, KQs for a lot of players. In some spots 3bet squeezing scs and other hands like Axs would be very much the norm. Open the range up a little wider for blind vs. blind or blind vs. button situations.

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Lately I have been playing 6max hoping it will improve my FR game. My game is better suited to FR than 6max and Im willing to do whatever it takes to improve as a player.

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I play full ring for the same reasons you do. Its the game I play in the casino. And my goal was to move up. Also, my style of play was more suitable since I play a TAG style. I also had a tendency to play a bit bigger games than my bankroll suggests (not really anymore) and there were much bigger swings in 6-max which I dont handle very well.
Then I found I can play a good profitable game playing full ring.

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I am different than most of the posters on this thread. I prefer 6max. IMO there are much worse players at 6max than FR. Not necessarily bad players but most people either play 6max tables way too tight or way too loose. There is the exception to the many good players but if you play enough then you should recognize the regulars and choose a different table or leave when there are 2-3(good)regs at your table. Trust me, there are plenty of other tables just full of weak/passive opponents or overly aggressive opponents. 6max can be extremely profitable with very little variance if you practice proper table/opponent selection and you can adjust well to your opponents style of play.

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Mostly, I am still improving my FR game and I can make money while doing it but I do plan to play more 6max in the future.
Variance also is greater and I hate that.

One thing that no one has brought up direcly is that I believe it is much easier to multi table FR (one contributing factor to being able to make more money).

I would like to know people's thoughts on this. How has multitabling 6max gone for people?
I would assume it is close to impossible to 12 table at significant stakes

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Multi tabling. Thats a good point. Me personally if I multi table I can show profit over the long run with 5 tables, 6 is boarder line, but this is when the variance is huge; therefore, I try to stick with 1 or 2 b/c there is such a huge difference in my hourly rate. Big enough where it is way more profitable for me to play 1 rather than 4. However, I know people that play 10 tables of 6 max at 5/10 & 10/25 NL and absolutely dominate all the tables. For me its just way to hard to play that good on all tables b/c reads are so important w/ 6max b/c well timed aggression is a major factor to consistently beating these tables. For the most part I would say it is almost impossible to consistantly beat the 6max tables 12-tabling.(With the exception of the very few people who are exceptionally good at 12-tabling)
I would love to hear other people views on this too.

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I play both, but my long term winrate at six max is about double what it is at full ring. I play full ring whenever I feel like turning off my mind and just going on autopilot 9+ tabling while watching TV, this might be the reason why the winrate is so much different.

The play at six max is much worse, and it's fun to be able to value bet tp/tk on the turn without it feeling like a bluff. The play at full ring is so straight forward though that it's pretty easy to make the right choices most of the time and feel good about it, even if it's not as profitable.

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Lately I have been playing 6max hoping it will improve my FR game.

[/ QUOTE ]I have gone from full ring from about Sept 03-April 06 and then 6-max from April 06 until now and I feel the play in 6 max has helped my full ring game enormously. I now play both with about the same wr in both.

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I would like to know people's thoughts on this. How has multitabling 6max gone for people?
I would assume it is close to impossible to 12 table at significant stakes

[/ QUOTE ] I find it impossible to 12 table 6 max but I don't find it hard to get in the same amount of hands per hour.

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Lately I have been playing 6max hoping it will improve my FR game.

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I would like to know people's thoughts on this. How has multitabling 6max gone for people?
I would assume it is close to impossible to 12 table at significant stakes

[/ QUOTE ] I find it impossible to 12 table 6 max but I don't find it hard to get in the same amount of hands per hour.

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most of ssnl plays 8-12 tables of 6max, personally I can't do it but many can.

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most of ssnl plays 8-12 tables of 6max, personally I can't do it but many can.

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This blows me away, and I wasn't aware of this. I usually 9-11 table full ring, but find it takes everything I got to 8 table six max and usually just 6 table.

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most of ssnl plays 8-12 tables of 6max, personally I can't do it but many can.

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This blows me away, and I wasn't aware of this. I usually 9-11 table full ring, but find it takes everything I got to 8 table six max and usually just 6 table.

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I don't think that most people are over 8 tables. I'm the same way in that I can do 6 tables 6-max comfortably but usually fill both my monitors (8 tables) with full ring.

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i play FR cuz less variance
i can 10table without an issue
my winrate is higher
cuz i can play for 20hrs and make 2 hard decisions
cuz i can play longer cuz less mental anguish
cuz hand ranges are easier to read

i dunno...nice mix up from 6max

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I chose FR since I figured most of my money would come from grinding bonuses, and I figured FR would be better for this as I could have a tighter game, which all the books recommend for beginners. Unfortunately I never managed to play tight though. And I think 6M would be just as good for bonuses.

I do want to learn short handed though, since now when I see a juicy FR table with only 4 players of who I know three are weak I still feel like I can't outplay them short handed [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] I've solved this by taking a good seat and sitting out until the table gets filled, but I think I lose a significant advantage by not taking the money when its easily available.

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I don't like the variance of 6 max
The aggression of 6 max effects my play negatively
I can play a TAG game at FR and feel good about it

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I started playing FR cause I started in tournaments and most tournaments are 9-10 handed. What I have found, though, is that most decent players at the lower levels play tight at FR. I play a little looser than most, and I can because most people are pretty transparent with their hands and don't adjust well to loose players. Playing looser than most is a lot of fun, and I actually think I'd have to tighten up a little to play 6max, as strange as that sounds (basically because anyone decent is going to be playing a little loser short handed).

Also, the tight regs really do a horrible job of adjusting to live ones when they show up, so even though there are fewer really loose players at FR than at 6max (from what I hear), it isn't hard to isolate them in FR when the rest of the table is playing 12/6.

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I also prefer to play a TAG game and my opinion is that 6-max is more suited to a LAG player.



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Ehh, what I think you mean is that if you like LAG play and really can't or won't play TAG, then 6-max is for you. Or maybe TAG doesn't fly at 6-max. Or both.

LAG play can do very nicely in FR.

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One thing that really bothers me reading this thread is that everyone keeps talking about "playing looser" at 6 max. TBH I think I play a little tighter at 6max then I would at full ring if the first 3 players had folded. Stealing blinds is WAY easier at full ring.

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I think that to become a top FR player you really need to put in a good amount of time playing 6-max. Learning when and how to steal properly with or without cards. How to play in position and how to play out of position with weak/strong hands, you run into some many more tricky situations. Profitability i would say definetly runs on the side of FR althought i have more experience with SH the number of buy-ins you'll loose can just get ugly, i found myself monthly taking 3-6 day breaks.
So i would say to any aspiring players, learn the very basics at Limit FR, teach yourself to NL at FR NL Micro, learn to play real poker at Short Handed, then start to collect the cheques at FR NL.

Warrant

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I think that to become a top FR player you really need to put in a good amount of time playing 6-max. Learning when and how to steal properly with or without cards. How to play in position and how to play out of position with weak/strong hands, you run into some many more tricky situations. Profitability i would say definetly runs on the side of FR althought i have more experience with SH the number of buy-ins you'll loose can just get ugly, i found myself monthly taking 3-6 day breaks.
So i would say to any aspiring players, learn the very basics at Limit FR, teach yourself to NL at FR NL Micro, learn to play real poker at Short Handed, then start to collect the cheques at FR NL.

Warrant

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minus the learning of limit...i rly aggree with this post. my FR game wud b sloppy as hell if i didnt go thru 50K hands of 6max

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I started playing 6max during the last few months, just for like 4 - 5 sessions (2h each) a weak. But all what was said here applies for me, too. Though you can really make some good money there, the variance is just SO SICK! Multitabling is a problem, cheers to eveyone who plays more than 4 - 6 tables of 6max. My head busts if I play more than three. On the other hand, I don't play more than 5 tables FR, too. I play very laggish, that might be the reason there....

P.S.: To make this really sick: I'm having a really good WR at Omaha6max, but seem to suck horribly at PLO FR...

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One thing that really bothers me reading this thread is that everyone keeps talking about "playing looser" at 6 max. TBH I think I play a little tighter at 6max then I would at full ring if the first 3 players had folded. Stealing blinds is WAY easier at full ring.

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I also prefer to play a TAG game and my opinion is that 6-max is more suited to a LAG player.

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This is not necessarily true. What you define a TAG as in FR is different than what you would define a TAG as in 6max. A tag in FR maybe running stats of 15/8 where at 6max a TAG can be defined as 24/18 in 6max. Now someone running stats of 24/18 you might define as a LAG in FR but this is definitely not the case with 6max. A LAG in 6max will run stats of 35/26.

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I play full ring whenever I feel like turning off my mind and just going on autopilot 9+ tabling while watching TV,

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9 tabling... 10-11 tables... Yikes! I'm singling and still learning the NLFR game. LHE I used to 6 table, can't imagine 9 at NL. Just use teh Bet The Pot button, slide or type in bets?

Congratz to you gamers...

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ENO9 I type in my big bets and just click on the slider for preflop raises and c-bets.

To everybody saying the variance is sick in 6 max I can say with lots of experience that playing a nitty 19/8 style is pretty variance free as long as you don't suck postflop. The more aggressive you play the more variance you have. You pretty much pick how much variance you have by what kind of style you play.

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playing 19/8 at six max might be low variance but it's gonna be low profit too at any reasonable stakes

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I mean at $50NL and under, above that you need to step it up. I should have mentioned that in my OP, my b.