Stars has an overlay ...
 

For the first time in many months.

21:30 55NL has only 977 players while 1000 needed for the gurantee.

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obv means stars is bout to pull out of the US

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I miss Mansion.

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see what happens if there are some multiaccounting accounts are banned ;D

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This definitely sucks. It's the beginning of the end, boys...

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Sounds like Stars pulled a Bodog.

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see what happens if there are some multiaccounting accounts are banned ;D

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lol

Wait, not sure if this is funny though. Could be true.

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see what happens if there are some multiaccounting accounts are banned ;D

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would be sad if there is any sort of truth to this.

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Rule number one of overlay.

Don't talk about overlay.

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Rule number one of overlay.

Don't talk about overlay.

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Rule number one of overlay.

Don't talk about overlay.

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agreed

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see what happens if there are some multiaccounting accounts are banned ;D

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would be sad if there is any sort of truth to this.

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um... this was pretty much proved the weeks following the ZJ/JJ debacle. hundreds of players suddenly stopped playing mtts. Of course, lets pretend that's because they were concerned of the ability of others to multiaccount so they stopped with the online pokers.

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would be sad if there is any sort of truth to this.

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um... this was pretty much proved the weeks following the ZJ/JJ debacle. hundreds of players suddenly stopped playing mtts. Of course, lets pretend that's because they were concerned of the ability of others to multiaccount so they stopped with the online pokers.

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Does someone have the numbers for this? If there really were hundreds less runners in all the major tournies...that would be depressing.

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People are really stupid about this, I dont know how many extremely good freerolls/overlays that have been ruined by jackasses who dont even play them who just want to get some e-cred.. jeez.

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The 5PM 3r usually has about 2600-3000 players if my memory serves me right.

Lets see what the number is tonight.

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FTP taking over!!!

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The 21:30 50K guaranteed is a brand new tourney. It's only been around for a couple weeks. Friday night is the slowest night on Stars. It was short by 20 people. I don't think this is a big deal.

Actually, I think this same tourney had about the same overlay last week.

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Does someone have the numbers for this? If there really were hundreds less runners in all the major tournies...that would be depressing.

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I don't recall this being the case, but I guess I'll take CSC's word for it.

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Rule number one of overlay.

PM RikaKazak about the overlay.

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FTP SUCKS!!!

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FYP

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see what happens if there are some multiaccounting accounts are banned ;D

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would be sad if there is any sort of truth to this.

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um... this was pretty much proved the weeks following the ZJ/JJ debacle. hundreds of players suddenly stopped playing mtts. Of course, lets pretend that's because they were concerned of the ability of others to multiaccount so they stopped with the online pokers.

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Does someone have the numbers for this? If there really were hundreds less runners in all the major tournies...that would be depressing.

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I don't see how "hundreds" from one week to the next is in any way significant.

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Considering thousands play, a couple hundred isn't really going to make a difference.

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I don't recall this being the case, but I guess I'll take CSC's word for it.

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I don't remember this happening either.

I don't really like saying "this happened because that", but there're lots of reasons why numbers might be down - FTOPS, WCOOP satellites, it's August, etc. Having a soft overlay (i.e, PS doesn't lose money due to the rake) or two isn't a disaster.

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even though anybody who is posting in this thread and/or a common visitor to the forum may not understand this, but you ever think that maybe that poker climaxed about 2 years ago, and this is part of the slow decline? i mean you couldn't possibly think that the volume of players was gonna keep going up the way it was. in the end its a gambling, however you would like to define it, and to the general public its viewed upon as gambling. generally gambling is still not a socially accepted way of living/lifestyle and inevitably people will be put off from it for this reason, among many others. the die hards will always be around, but as time passes more of the very casual players who were filling up the mtt fields will stop playing and that's where we are heading now.

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even though anybody who is posting in this thread and/or a common visitor to the forum may not understand this, but you ever think that maybe that poker climaxed about 2 years ago, and this is part of the slow decline? i mean you couldn't possibly think that the volume of players was gonna keep going up the way it was. in the end its a gambling, however you would like to define it, and to the general public its viewed upon as gambling. generally gambling is still not a socially accepted way of living/lifestyle and inevitably people will be put off from it for this reason, among many others. the die hards will always be around, but as time passes more of the very casual players who were filling up the mtt fields will stop playing and that's where we are heading now.

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http://www.pokersitescout.com/

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Stars has had several recent overlays before this. A month ago the $20k Guaranteed was short and a week ago the Nightly Hundred Grand was as well. There was another MTT that was semi-regularly having an overlay in the past month but can't remember which it was.

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God, Excel 2007 is so annoying. Why did they have to change any of it? This is pathetic, it takes an hour to try to relearn why it does all of this stuff....

So anyway. Here're all the "Sunday Million" tournaments from January 2005 to March 2006, with $215 entry. It wasn't the million until the last three weeks. ZeeJustin and JJProdigy were banned right at the start of 2006. I think this shows pretty well that the numbers didn't drop.

If the suggestion is that numbers fell by 200 across the entire site's tournaments, that number is too small to measure due to random noise in entrants, so is improvable either way, and thus of no interest in defence or support of the position.

http://www.esreality.com/files/inlin...59286-$200.JPG

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Stars has had several recent overlays before this. A month ago the $20k Guaranteed was short and a week ago the Nightly Hundred Grand was as well. There was another MTT that was semi-regularly having an overlay in the past month but can't remember which it was.

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Yeh, same reasons though - WCOOP sats, EPT sats, FTOPS, August. It's a cyclical thing, numbers have always been pretty poor in the summer.

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Brag: I think I just posted the first serious graph in NVG's history
Beat: I think I just posted the first serious graph in NVG's history

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Excellent graph, but we are in August, 2007 so there is some more data, particularly regarding the UIGEA effect.

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Excellent graph, but we are in August, 2007 so there is some more data, particularly regarding the UIGEA effect.

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but that would disprove what he is trying to say, so why would he go and do a thing like that?

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Excellent graph, but we are in August, 2007 so there is some more data, particularly regarding the UIGEA effect.

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Currently there are around 7K players every week and there was no noticable drop in numbers over time.
Although once JJ&Crew got banned I expect a 25% decline.

The UIGEA did hit hard only my favorite limit donknaments like Stud8b or omaha8b and they run now with only 1/3 of entrants comparing to previous year.

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Sciolist, any chance you can post the full thing or just link us to a downloadable copy?

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Excellent graph, but we are in August, 2007 so there is some more data, particularly regarding the UIGEA effect.

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The point was that the numbers didn't drop when it became clear that multi accounters were going to get in trouble. And someone said earlier that that was the case.

As for the numbers now, you can look in the client in two hours thirty minutes. If you want all the numbers so far, look at the pokerdb.

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but that would disprove what he is trying to say, so why would he go and do a thing like that?

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vs.

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um... this was pretty much proved the weeks following the ZJ/JJ debacle. hundreds of players suddenly stopped playing mtts. Of course, lets pretend that's because they were concerned of the ability of others to multiaccount so they stopped with the online pokers.

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I am pretty happy that I've proved my point. If you'd care to accept a friendly wager that the general trend is upwards from that point until today, I am interested.

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don't mess with sciolist