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before anyone gets antsy, it was "only" a slap on the hand, not face, but it was a very hard swing which could have very easily lead to a fist fight.

seat 3 is a guy in his late 30s to early 40s playing pretty donkishly, seat 4 is drunk and in his mid 20s, very obnoxious and playing even more so.

hand comes up and there's about 100 on the flop, and seat 3 leads out for 75 on it with 4 to act behind him. drunky thinks for a minute and asks how much 3 has behind him (its about 300 on top of the raise and seat 3 has drunky covered.) seat 3 doesnt answer and drunky sticks his stack of 100 over the hands of 3 and into his stack to measure up against his. seat 3 yells and tells the dealer to run the game, floor comes over, yelling back and forth for a while, floorman tells everyone to calm down.

drunky apologizes and insists he only wants a count, and asks the floor, dealer, or seat 3 to do it. no one complies, and after a few more minutes, seat 3 lifts up his hands from hsi stack and tells drunky to count it.

drunky reaches over and touches the stack, and seat 3 immediately slaps drunky on the hand very violently.

more bitching and whining, security now comes over, drunky eventually folds and there is a lot of [censored] talking still going on. after about 10 more minutes seat 8 finallys asks drunky to switch with him, but that doesnt alleviate the problem as drunky is now just calling seat 3 a [censored], fat boy, etc.

table eventually breaks and i get put on a table with drunky, and the floor asks him to leave after about 5 minutes at the table. drunky starts playing the race card cause he is white and the dealer, floorman, security and seat 3 were black. blah blah blah.

sorry for the long winded story. can floor really do this? seat 3 got no punishment at all but left a few hands after the altercation on his own. was drunky really so far out of hand the 2nd time that getting slapped is really warranted without any punishment for seat 3?

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The "reverse race card play," I love it! Now if the floors were both white he could try the "double reverse racecard play," but the probability of success would be lower.

This insanity is why I have no interest in playing at HP, no matter how good the games are.

Al

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Wow, first off dealer needs to be in control of the game and count seat 3's stack. Sounds like seat 3 didn't tell drunky to count his stack but he asked the dealer to count it and drunky mistook it as asking him to count it. But all in all it sounds like everybody involved was responsible and not just one person.

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I don't get how it got to that point. Why wouldn't the dealer count the stack? Isn't that part of the dealer's job in NLHE (unless the player volunteers the info)?

Does HP let dealers refuse to push the pot at showdown, too, in order to spite the table drunk? What a madhouse.

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I don't get how it got to that point. Why wouldn't the dealer count the stack? Isn't that part of the dealer's job in NLHE (unless the player volunteers the info)?

Does HP let dealers refuse to push the pot at showdown, too, in order to spite the table drunk? What a madhouse.

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Considering I've never read anything good about HP on these boards, it almost seems like S.O.P. over there. The place seems to make money by accident the way I read it here.

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Considering I've never read anything good about HP on these boards, it almost seems like S.O.P. over there. The place seems to make money by accident the way I read it here.

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HP is no better or worse than the other LA casinos. Every place has its share of bad dealers and floor personel. The games are juicy and worth the occasional BS.

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Both players should have been given a time out or sent to bed without cookies and milk.

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How do you react when people reach over and touch your money?

You can't just grab or touch people's chips.

Sounds like everyone involved need a KITN.

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If the dealer or floor had a clue it would've never gotten that far in the first place.

1st blame is on them. Primarily the dealer.

b

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Wow, first off dealer needs to be in control of the game and count seat 3's stack. Sounds like seat 3 didn't tell drunky to count his stack but he asked the dealer to count it and drunky mistook it as asking him to count it. But all in all it sounds like everybody involved was responsible and not just one person.

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yes, the dealer was definitely not the best at controlling/handling the game. but when seat 3 said count it, it was directed at drunky, but seat 3 meant to count with his eyes (I understood that, but drunky didn't)

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NL cash games, you are not obligated to count your stack, that is a donkament thing. You must eyeball, drunky touches my chips, after all that I would slap him too.

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NL cash games, you are not obligated to count your stack, that is a donkament thing.

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No, I don't think so. You're entitled to know how deep everyone at the table is.

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NL cash games, you are not obligated to count your stack, that is a donkament thing.

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No, I don't think so. You're entitled to know how deep everyone at the table is.

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If asked for a count the dealer or player must give you an accurate count

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If asked for a count the dealer or player must give you an accurate count

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Wrong. Thanks for playing.

In a NL cash game all that's required is for an unobstructed view of an opponents chips.

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If asked for a count the dealer or player must give you an accurate count

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Wrong. Thanks for playing.


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I actually looked through Robert's Rules and couldn't even find the part about high-denom chips being in clear view, let alone the part about whether anyone's obligated to count down stacks or not.

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I actually looked through Robert's Rules and couldn't even find the part about high-denom chips being in clear view, let alone the part about whether anyone's obligated to count down stacks or not.

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You are entitled to a clear view of the chips. You are also entitled to have the high denomination chips be clearly visible. You are also entitled to have the chips stacked in a manner that someone looking at them can tell how deep a player is. Traditionally if someone asks "how deep are you" they get an answer that is close to how many chips a player has. Poker is a game played by ladies and gentlemen. If you find yourself unable to conduct yourself as a lady or gentleman you should leave the casino.

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I actually looked through Robert's Rules and couldn't even find the part about high-denom chips being in clear view, let alone the part about whether anyone's obligated to count down stacks or not.

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From Chapter 2 of Bob Ciaffone's online rulebook:

19. Any player is entitled to a clear view of an opponent’s chips. Higher denomination chips should be easily visible.

Of course about 60% of what is in the "House Policies" section is either no longer applicable, changed, never/rarely enforced and shouldn't have been in a rule book in the first place but that's another rant [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]


From the General Rules - House Policies section of the Commerce Rulebook (other LA rulebooks are similar or identical):

24. Any player is entitled to a clear view of an opponent’s chips when applicable."

Hope this helps.

~ Rick

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I actually looked through Robert's Rules and couldn't even find the part about high-denom chips being in clear view, let alone the part about whether anyone's obligated to count down stacks or not.

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You are entitled to a clear view of the chips. You are also entitled to have the high denomination chips be clearly visible. You are also entitled to have the chips stacked in a manner that someone looking at them can tell how deep a player is. Traditionally if someone asks "how deep are you" they get an answer that is close to how many chips a player has. Poker is a game played by ladies and gentlemen. If you find yourself unable to conduct yourself as a lady or gentleman you should leave the casino.

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As an aside here is a link to an old thread on a hidden chips decision I started a while back.

Sorry about the DOS style graphics but the X's and Y's represent the different denomination chips. Underneath is the rail and the position of the players.

~ Rick

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You are entitled to a clear view of the chips. You are also entitled to have the high denomination chips be clearly visible. You are also entitled to have the chips stacked in a manner that someone looking at them can tell how deep a player is. Traditionally if someone asks "how deep are you" they get an answer that is close to how many chips a player has. Poker is a game played by ladies and gentlemen. If you find yourself unable to conduct yourself as a lady or gentleman you should leave the casino.

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I'll quote this for MFing Truth.

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FWIW in my local casino (harrahs kc) not only will the dealer not tell you what the players stacks are he wont tell you whats in the pot either (unless its pot limit). However all the dealers are required to tell you to stack your high denom chips up front and they do enforce that rule when you get deep enough for it to matter... I believe it is more a thing that will change from room to room and even dealer to dealer but the overall consensus is in cash games you need to determine stack sizes yourself, you can certainly ask a player and alot of them will give you an approximate correct answer but outside of that your on your own.

Once i had a guy sitting right next to me ask me how much i had left after putting in a sizable bet and i didnt answer, he then asked the dealer who didnt answer, after that he got visibly upset and started leaning over and actually did touch the top of one stack of my chips in an effort to "finger count" the stacks i guess. I queitly pushed his arm back by the forearm and said "dont touch my chips!" while smiling and he smiled back. Everything was fine (he eventually folded once he realized i had him just covered) and went back to normal. I think it has to do more with the two parties involved and how they handle it together, all it takes is one person acting like an ahole and the $hit hits the fan b/c the other person doesnt want to loose face at the table.

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which dealer was it?

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Another player touching my chips warrants much more than a slap on the hand.

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You are entitled to a clear view of the chips. You are also entitled to have the high denomination chips be clearly visible. You are also entitled to have the chips stacked in a manner that someone looking at them can tell how deep a player is. Traditionally if someone asks "how deep are you" they get an answer that is close to how many chips a player has. Poker is a game played by ladies and gentlemen. If you find yourself unable to conduct yourself as a lady or gentleman you should leave the casino.

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I'll quote this for MFing Truth.

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"Should" and "truth" have little relevance in most situations. As in this one - his last 3 statements are pleasant, but completely irrelevant in this situation.

The house staff should be lined up and kicked in the nuts. It's so freaking ridiculous.

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Another player touching my chips warrants much more than a slap on the hand.

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No, seat 3 was hiding his chips with his hands (goof number 1 - rule violation). Then he tells the player to "count it" (goof number 2 - completely ambiguous command when no words are ncessary at all).

And, all because the house is completely clueless (they lost a paying customer because of their ineptitude.) I agree, if they make money, it's in spite of themselves. When the market lulls, they'll be the ones getting laid off and complaining about the economy, and taking my tax dollars for their unemployment.

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Once i had a guy sitting right next to me ask me how much i had left after putting in a sizable bet and i didnt answer, he then asked the dealer who didnt answer, after that he got visibly upset and started leaning over and actually did touch the top of one stack of my chips in an effort to "finger count" the stacks i guess. I queitly pushed his arm back by the forearm and said "dont touch my chips!" while smiling and he smiled back. Everything was fine (he eventually folded once he realized i had him just covered) and went back to normal. I think it has to do more with the two parties involved and how they handle it together, all it takes is one person acting like an ahole and the $hit hits the fan b/c the other person doesnt want to loose face at the table.

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I'm sure you were well within your rights, but I'd just like to know - why not just tell the guy how much you have?

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Poker is a game played by ladies and gentlemen. If you find yourself unable to conduct yourself as a lady or gentleman you should leave the casino.

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Clearly you've never played at hollywood park. You can't count on the dealer or floor for anything at all, you are on your own, and god forbid if you should need a ruling. If you get in an argument with a regular, forget about it, the floor will side with them every time. I honestly believe that this poker room is the most like a wild west card room that is in operation today. I don't even like walking away from my chips for a pottie break. It's seriously in bad shape. Isn't there an organization that audits these places to make sure that they are running a tight ship? If an inspector came to this casino for a full work day, i'm sure they would see at least a dozen arguments that were handled improperly.

All that being said, I find the games looser than anywhere else in LA (or outside of vegas) so I have to put up with it. I watch my ass though.

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If an inspector came to this casino for a full work day, i'm sure they would see at least a dozen arguments that were handled improperly.

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It's a crying shame that California has a moratorium on new cardrooms, and that cardrooms described like this consume one of the existing licenses.

On my one poker trip to LA I didn't make it to HG, and it sounds like I didn't miss much.