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Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $5/$10 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $2,023.00
BB: $217.00
UTG: $812.00
CO: $3,939.25
BTN: $1,077.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $40.00</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $141.00</font>, BB folds, CO calls $101.00

Flop: ($292) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $234.00</font>, CO calls $234.00

Turn: ($760) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $500.00</font>, CO calls $500.00

River: ($1760) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero...

villain is joocs, some random guy...I know I should bet like 675 or so on the turn (if I do bet). Who likes a river shove?

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ALL OF THEM

i think 1100 on the river works, although it might be hard to buy that you have AK after betting that turn, betting enough monies will do the trick. plus you could easily be vbing a set here and persuade him to lay his AJ/whatever

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mehhhhhhh to this preflop action, but thats your business

i'd size your bets to go all the way though, give him 3 chances to fold.

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looking at it i think he needs to fold like 40% of the time. he could have AK, maybe KK, KJ, or KThh. AQ might sometimes call but probably not, and QQ probably calls if it gets to the river. for hands that'll fold, he could have hearts sometimes, or some other random hands like JT, QJ, A2. so i think it's close, but his range is more likely to be looser than tighter, so you probably get him to fold often enough if and only if he fbasically always folds AQ. i tend to think he would since there are soem hands you're repping like KQ, AKhh, Kxhh

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oh man me likey shove very much.

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mehhhhhhh to this preflop action, but thats your business


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Preflop is uber-standard

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mehhhhhhh to this preflop action, but thats your business


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Preflop is uber-standard

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Well, raising preflop is better than calling. But in the live games I play, folding would be better than raising. This isn't that game, though.

OP has a suited semi connector OOP facing an LP raise that could be almost any two playable cards. That means he's out of position in a raised pot with what is probably the worst hand. His hand is unlikely to improve. So, if he plays, then his plan is to take the initiative with a reraise, then bet the pot regardless of the flop, then keep betting the pot (or so) on every street until villain folds or villain makes a big raise (in which case 9-high can fold unless it's miraculously improved to a straight or flush). So show down value doesn't matter much as long as villain doesn't raise post-flop. The committment point is the turn. After that turn bet, which ideally would be sized to leave a pot-sized bet for a final bluff on the river, there is just too much money in the pot to change the plan at the river. And with hero's pair of sevens with 9 kicker, the only way to win is to bet. He planned to go full 4 barrels right from the preflop reraise, and this river is the best possible card for hero since most hands that don't have a K in them will often fold to a big river bet - maybe even two pairs and sets. That means that the only option that makes sense is to push the river.

Actually, regarding hero being OOP post flop, given that his plan was to reraise/bet/bet/bet regardless of board as long as villain stays passive, it is probably preferrable to be OOP because hero gets first shot at every street to fold out villain with increasing barrel sizes. The only defense for villain is to go bigger preflop (in which case hero folds unless he really has a big hand), or flop a big hand (unlikely), raise post flop (allowing hero to fold unless he actually has a big hand), or call down fairly light for his entire stack (tough to do). All villain's options are difficult unless he flops a that unlikely monster hand and chooses to slow play it.

But I'd fold preflop. I play a lot live at 5/5 and there are plenty of calling stations where this line would be known as "the ATM shuffle."

But like I said, this isn't that game. I suppose short-handed, on-line with a bunch of aggro regulars, I can see where you need to be able to do this or get run over by the other guys doing the same.

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I like folding preflop, check/folding the flop, check/folding the turn, and check/folding the river. Lemme guess that's not what you were looking for, though?

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Do it.

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I like folding preflop, check/folding the flop, check/folding the turn, and check/folding the river. Lemme guess that's not what you were looking for, though?

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lies

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Do it.

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haha, fwiw i did this today on pretty much the exact same board and got pozzed

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The hand looks fine to me. Sometimes I would check fold turn, but if you think he is going to call light it's fine. River I would be again. There's a resonable chance he was calling flop &amp; turn with hearts. It's kind of hard to put villian on a king on this river other than AK.

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i actually liked this a lot at first

then i thought maybe you dont always fire here w/ AK on the turn. If you're not firing here w/ AK on the turn, then this sucks.

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i actually liked this a lot at first

then i thought maybe you dont always fire here w/ AK on the turn. If you're not firing here w/ AK on the turn, then this sucks.

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ya ok i just meant like in general


and vs a random guy i guess its alright, i doubt its much better than breakeven if it is profitable, simply cause i think he shows up w/ AK here himself a lot or KJss or whatever

i guess once we're here we have to shove tho

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curious whether people think random 5/10 200 bb stack player calls the river with AQ

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curious whether people think random 5/10 200 bb stack player calls the river with AQ



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i tend to think random=bad
so i think theres a definite chance, even though thats pretty retarded.

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curious whether people think random 5/10 200 bb stack player calls the river with AQ

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oh man me likey shove very much.

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Tcorbin I hate your uber-aggro mentality!

As for the hand, I think villain would play AK exactly this way, i'd probably just give up after the turn - but, then again, I know nothing about villain, and you may get him to fold AQ. In a nutshell, this spot is nasty and I can't offer reasonable advice.

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curious whether people think random 5/10 200 bb stack player calls the river with AQ

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I really don't think so. A random is probably happy to have doubled his stack, and is unlikely to call 100bb river shove w/ two pair on this board. However, I don't think this guy is totallly random. A few months ago there was a "joocs" that was playing semi-regularly on the FTP 10-20 tables, and he was actually really good (if I recall, tightish preflop stats - but capable of making moves postflop).

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fwiw I think betting turn and c/folding river is the worst line possible. Coincidentally that's exactly what I did.

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well, at least you know he wouldve snap called

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Yeah joocs has been around prima a long time as well playing 5/10 and 10/20. he probably at least decent.

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Seems like he has AK A LOT here. I'd be tempted to fire river but probably c/f.

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Turn seems pretty bad. I dont see a whole lot of hnds calling flop to fold turn on that board.

River I'd give up because I dont think randoms fold 2pair enough here for 2/3 pot or whatever you have left an he can obv he have AK a decent amount as well.

Paul

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this really depends on how he responds to your preflop reraises. that said, you shouldn't bet turn and check river

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fwiw I think betting turn and c/folding river is the worst line possible. Coincidentally that's exactly what I did.

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me too. jam the river. if the board was totally rainbow and for some reason you bet the turn, you should give up the river. i think.

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fwiw I think betting turn and c/folding river is the worst line possible. Coincidentally that's exactly what I did.

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me too. jam the river. if the board was totally rainbow and for some reason you bet the turn, you should give up the river. i think.

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am I too much of a pussy? I never thought that would be possible. But i really fold at every possible junction here...

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fwiw I think betting turn and c/folding river is the worst line possible. Coincidentally that's exactly what I did.

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I really think you need to fire the river again. I like to tell myself it takes either a guy with balls or a fool to fire the 3rd one - im still trying to figure out which bracket i fall into.

By checking the river having shown so much strength throughout the hand you have given him the opportunity to take the pot away from you irrespective of his holding. Fire again I say.

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am I too much of a pussy? I never thought that would be possible. But i really fold at every possible junction here...

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having 3 bet light i think you need to get into the habit of giving up more often so i doubt your in the pussy bracket. Maybe the OP does so this hand should be taken in isolation.

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i wouldnt 3-bet light here

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i wouldnt 3-bet light here

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as your location suggests

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It all depends on your image. If you are aggro I'd snap call a river bet with anything that I was already calling 2 barrels with. It's just too unlikely that you have a K more than 40-50% of the time.

If you're nitty I'd probably fold river, but I doubt that's the case (and I would've likely folded preflop in that case too).

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I like folding preflop, check/folding the flop, betting the turn, and shoving the river.

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