JJ - Respect the Donkey Bets?
 

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $77.55
BB: $57.65
UTG: $54.10
Hero (CO): $49.25
BTN: $59.65

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, 3 folds, UTG calls $2.00

Flop: ($5.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $4.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $8.00</font>, Hero calls $4.00

Turn: ($21.75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $6.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $20.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $34.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $38.75</font>, UTG calls $4.75

If I had Queens I would have wanted to get it in on the flop. With Jacks I decided that I would get it in on the turn if a non-club card hit.

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Why would you want to get it in earlier with queens? His range doesn't include overpairs so they are equal expect JJ needs more protection against an over, hence I would rather fastplay JJ than QQ. I would probably only call his bet on turn after his flop raise although he has many draws in his range. Now after you raise it you have to go with it.

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I play it probably the same

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This line makes absolutely no sense. If you were going to do this on the turn, why not just do it on the flop instead of giving him a chance to re-evaluate? You're obviously crushed... I mean, what hand is he going to min-raise the flop and then 3-bet the turn that doesn't beat JJ? You should have 3-bet the flop to like $20 and then folded to a push.

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LOL at fold on flop to push

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This line makes absolutely no sense. If you were going to do this on the turn, why not just do it on the flop instead of giving him a chance to re-evaluate? You're obviously crushed... I mean, what hand is he going to min-raise the flop and then 3-bet the turn that doesn't beat JJ? You should have 3-bet the flop to like $20 and then folded to a push.

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This line makes sense to me is ebcause we have position on the flop and were min c/red and we called to evaluate on river.

When Villain bets so small on such coordinated board it means his hand is not that strong and raising him would be a good idea in such spot:/

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This line makes absolutely no sense. If you were going to do this on the turn, why not just do it on the flop instead of giving him a chance to re-evaluate? You're obviously crushed... I mean, what hand is he going to min-raise the flop and then 3-bet the turn that doesn't beat JJ? You should have 3-bet the flop to like $20 and then folded to a push.

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This line makes sense to me is ebcause we have position on the flop and were min c/red and we called to evaluate on river.

When Villain bets so small on such coordinated board it means his hand is not that strong and raising him would be a good idea in such spot:/

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This is what we call re-evaluating on the turn? This is what I call getting married to an overpair. I think he gets stacked here a pretty high percentage of the time... assuming there is no read here, since I didn't see one in the OP.

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NIT!!!

3bet flop. Call push.

As played ... call turn ... probably call a blank river.

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This line makes absolutely no sense. If you were going to do this on the turn, why not just do it on the flop instead of giving him a chance to re-evaluate? You're obviously crushed... I mean, what hand is he going to min-raise the flop and then 3-bet the turn that doesn't beat JJ? You should have 3-bet the flop to like $20 and then folded to a push.

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This line makes sense to me is ebcause we have position on the flop and were min c/red and we called to evaluate on river.

When Villain bets so small on such coordinated board it means his hand is not that strong and raising him would be a good idea in such spot:/

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This is what we call re-evaluating on the turn? This is what I call getting married to an overpair. I think he gets stacked here a pretty high percentage of the time... assuming there is no read here, since I didn't see one in the OP.

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QFMFT

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NIT!!!

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Oh, okay. Tell me what you think villain has here that we beat? AT? That's pushing it.

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Villain is a donk. On the flop ... AT, KT, QT, JT, flush draw, 78, A6, A4 we beat. Check/min-raise usually means a feeler bet or a draw. If he shoves you really shouldn't give him enough respect to fold. He's an idiot.

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This line makes absolutely no sense. If you were going to do this on the turn, why not just do it on the flop instead of giving him a chance to re-evaluate? You're obviously crushed... I mean, what hand is he going to min-raise the flop and then 3-bet the turn that doesn't beat JJ? You should have 3-bet the flop to like $20 and then folded to a push.

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This line makes sense to me is ebcause we have position on the flop and were min c/red and we called to evaluate on river.

When Villain bets so small on such coordinated board it means his hand is not that strong and raising him would be a good idea in such spot:/

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This is what we call re-evaluating on the turn? This is what I call getting married to an overpair. I think he gets stacked here a pretty high percentage of the time... assuming there is no read here, since I didn't see one in the OP.

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i dont get it. So you are saying pushing on flop is better than calling and pushing on turn when our equity is increased?

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i dont get it. So you are saying pushing on flop is better than calling and pushing on turn when our equity is increased?

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The point is that you're calling on the flop to "re-evaluate" on the turn. So, you actually have to re-evaluate at some point. Getting raised on the flop and 3-betted on the turn but pushing anyways isn't really re-evaluating, IMO.

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i re reraise that flop. and (maybe) fold to shove. I hate getting min C/R on a flushy board. I'd much rather re raise flop than call the min raise. limp call pre (still dont know why people do it) suggests small PPs or suited cons. make a read and go with it. but dont let limping in and min C/R profitable for these people...

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Limpcalling preflop is for small pairs and suited connectors with most villains.

Check/raising the flop is a set very often IMO.

If villain is verry aggro and/or has shown to checkraise a draw OOP I reraise the flop and fold to a push.