Top 2 - WTF?
 

I got a bit lost here - i felt like I must have been beat but couldnt figure out how?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($142.96)
UTG ($45.31)
MP ($68.84)
CO ($49.25)
Button ($51.29)
Hero ($81.88)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks

Flop: ($1.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets $2, hero calls $2

Turn: ($5.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2
players)</font>
Hero bets $5, MP raises $61.34 and is all in, Hero ?

MP and I have only played 1 pot up to that point where I misclicked called a $7 bet, into a $5 pot on the river with AK high and won if that makes a difference to our action?

Also is anyone having problems with FTR converter - I had to maanually edit most of this so all the action didnt appear to happen preflop?

Re: Top 2 - WTF?
 

Flop top two? I check/call sir! Take THAT!!!!1!!

Re: Top 2 - WTF?
 

Either lead or c/r flop and your decision gets a lot easier.
As played, I probably fold.

Re: Top 2 - WTF?
 

Sorry I left out something pretty important - BB had been check raising every other flop regardless of number of callers and I was hoping to push over his cr - what do we do now weve whiffed that?

Re: Top 2 - WTF?
 

Raise that bad boy preflop. Bet the flop, man. And that's a nasty turn raise, but I think you'll see worse two-pair often enough to call here. Yes, yes I do.

Dumle

Re: Top 2 - WTF?
 

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Sorry I left out something pretty important - BB had been check raising every other flop regardless of number of callers and I was hoping to push over his cr - what do we do now weve whiffed that?

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Raise it anyway. In this situation its more important to build the pot than hoping that BB comes along for the ride.

Dumle

Re: Top 2 - WTF?
 

Thing is that is not just a gutbuster, it is a double gutbuster for T9. Which is a likely holding here. Am I going broke in a pot I have only invested $2.50 in? Not likely. You misplayed the flop pretty badly and are reaping what you show. Throw them away and either bet/3bet the flop or check raise it big. At the moment your hand is way way way under-represented.

Re: Top 2 - WTF?
 

note that he slightly overbet the pot on the flop, c/r all day here.

i would have led out but thats fine.

fold as played.

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yeah in retrospect leading flop, probably makes the whole hand a lot easier. On the turn what does our hand look like to villain - i thought I looked super strong and almost fell out of my chair when he pushed - what are we putting villain on now?

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yeah in retrospect leading flop, probably makes the whole hand a lot easier. On the turn what does our hand look like to villain - i thought I looked super strong and almost fell out of my chair when he pushed - what are we putting villain on now?

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AK, AA, KK, KJ, K8, K7, J8, J7, 88, 77, JJ...and once in a blue moon nothing. Some of these are more likely, some less. I am still calling this, but maybe I just don't give these guys enough credit. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Dumle

Re: Top 2 - WTF?
 

Raise flop man.

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We've covered the fact that I should have raised or led flop - and i agree - but whats more interesting to me is what my hand looks like to villain after check calling flop and overbetting turn? And what do we put villain on?

Re: Top 2 - WTF?
 

Your line looks strong to me (call flop, lead turn). My guess is Villain has a straight and is trying to get value from a good second best hand. I say fold.

Re: Top 2 - WTF?
 

fold turn as played. the flop is where you screwed it up

Re: Top 2 - WTF?
 

wow I really think I would have a hard time folding this. The fact that he didn't make a raise from the BB leads me to believe he doesn't have a set, except maybe 77. The only hand I'm really worried about is 910. I would call but I'm a call station.

Re: Top 2 - WTF?
 

I called eventually and he had AK diamonds and missed.

Still not sure it was the best play though

Re: Top 2 - WTF?
 

*grunch* Rasie this flop to like 6- it'll make the hand easier to play from that point forward. I dont know if I like calling here without more of a history. Isn't this usually a straight from a donk?

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lol at not raising AKs from the BB.

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I don't think calling is good..from a sane villain we are mostly looking at great made hands trying to get value and/or great draws. These guys are usually just thinking on the first level, and probably will show up with the hand their repping alot of the time.