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KitCloudkicker 08-14-2007 08:56 PM

Observed hand...please comment
 
Here's a hand that was played by a 10/20 player in my game last weekend. I thought it was rather interesting. Please comment on the line he took.

He's been playing very aggressively in this game, especially preflop. However, the other players have not adjusted to his aggression by 3 betting to isolate. Thus, when he raises, he almost always get 4-5 cold callers.

He has Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in UTG+1. UTG folds and UTG+1 open raises. He gets called in 3 places, plus the small blind.

The flop is 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB checks, UTG+1 bets. He gets immediately raised by a MP player. The next guy folds, and the button 3 bets. The SB folds. UTG+1 calls the 3 bet, and MP calls.

The turn is the J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG+1 now bets with his top pair. MP calls, and the button raises again. UTG+1 calls and MP gives it up and folds.

The river is the K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG+1 leads. Button thinks a moment and raises. UTG+1 3 bets.

Reads: Button and SB and BB (who's not in the hand) are the only TAG players at the table. Others are loose passive.


Comments on all streets played by UTG+1 appreciated.

johnb 08-14-2007 09:20 PM

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Pre Flop: He's playing QJs more agressively than I would but seems it's his style.

Flop: I like the lead. He potentially disguises his hand if the flush hits and gets called by smaller flushes.

Turn: Standard. He's improved on the turn after a flop that isn't that scary.

River: Really good bet and raise. Button is not putting him on a flush and will likely call with lesser hands given the way he is betting...

Fnord 08-14-2007 09:21 PM

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Turn bet might be spew. Know anything about the button?

KitCloudkicker 08-14-2007 09:37 PM

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Turn bet might be spew. Know anything about the button?

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button is a fit-or-fold TAG. i overheard him talking about pot odds and he sounded fairly knowledgeable on that subject, FWIW.

PokerBob 08-14-2007 09:50 PM

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i like every street.

Fnord 08-14-2007 09:51 PM

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Put button on 2 big spades (discount due to our hand), sets, 99 and TT with oddball stuff thrown in once in a while? Then figure we probably sucked out on MP on the turn. Ok, I'm feeling a turn bet here.

James. 08-14-2007 10:50 PM

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what's up for debate? seems standard.

KitCloudkicker 08-14-2007 10:57 PM

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what's up for debate? seems standard.

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fwiw i love his line but i dunno if most of the forum would agree, especially with the turn play and preflop play.

WhiteKnight 08-15-2007 01:22 AM

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I only make this raise pf at maybe 70-80% of the tables I play at. Other than that, I really like this line. I'm wondering if Button's 3-bet on the flop = Ax spades...

lqd78 08-15-2007 03:17 AM

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-grunch-
id say depends on style of table. after reraise. thinking that he's J pair is good seems loose.

I think he got lucky with the flush

HoneyBadger 08-15-2007 07:19 AM

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grunch

I like it. Although I may have capped the flop.

ackid 08-15-2007 12:19 PM

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looks like vilian had 9/10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]s or possible trips.

Id play it the same.

mntndrew 08-15-2007 12:55 PM

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fwiw i love his line but i dunno if most of the forum would agree, especially with the turn play and preflop play.

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Kit, the action's a little different here from my JTs hand, but I'm not sure why you like the turn donk here but not on the hand I posted yesterday.

KitCloudkicker 08-15-2007 12:59 PM

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fwiw i love his line but i dunno if most of the forum would agree, especially with the turn play and preflop play.

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Kit, the action's a little different here from my JTs hand, but I'm not sure why you like the turn donk here but not on the hand I posted yesterday.

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Quite simply because my opinion changed after reading your thread.

like most posters on here i'm still learning from those with more experience than I. James presented a very compelling argument for the turn bet and I'm going to start applying it.

mntndrew 08-15-2007 01:08 PM

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works for me, thanks...


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