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Luckyspikes 08-13-2007 04:47 PM

NL20 : AK TPTK facing turn raise AI
 
No read on the vilain, it's his 4th hand at the table

Thanks in advance for all your comments.

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.20
10 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $33.15
UTG+1: $3.50
UTG+2: $13.75
Luckyspikes: $19.90
MP2: $10.80
MP3: $7.85
CO: $25.82
Button: $20.70
SB: $5.05
BB: $18.20

Pre-flop: (10 players) Luckyspikes is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls $0.2 <font color="blue">(pot was $0.3)</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#red">Luckyspikes raises to $0.8</font>, MP2 calls $0.8 <font color="blue">(pot was $1.3)</font>, 2 folds, Button calls $0.8 <font color="blue">(pot was $2.1)</font>, 3 folds.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($2.9, 3 players)
<font color="#red">Luckyspikes bets $2.75</font>, MP2 folds, Button calls $2.75 <font color="blue">(pot was $5.65)</font>.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($8.4, 2 players)
<font color="#red">Luckyspikes bets $6</font>, <font color="#red">Button raises all-in $17.15</font>, Luckyspikes ????


CazicT 08-13-2007 04:55 PM

Re: NL20 : AK TPTK facing turn raise AI
 
Yikes, doesn't look very good. Seems hard to believe you are ahead, but it's kinda hard to fold too. I wonder if checking the turn for pot control might have been a better line...

As played, you probably have to go with what your experience is for default villians at this level. Are they apt to do this with something you beat? Seems like this might be a fold.

leatangclan 08-13-2007 05:26 PM

Re: NL20 : AK TPTK facing turn raise AI
 
As I learned the hard way, it's usually what they advertized at this level. So without read, I would have to assume villan hit his trips. If it's me I would fold here. Other than that, your lines seem fine.

Larude 08-13-2007 05:30 PM

Re: NL20 : AK TPTK facing turn raise AI
 
This is a very easy fold against an unknown...

Luckyspikes 08-13-2007 05:37 PM

Re: NL20 : AK TPTK facing turn raise AI
 
What do i do if i check the turn and vilain bet pot size bet ?

Albert Moulton 08-13-2007 05:37 PM

Re: NL20 : AK TPTK facing turn raise AI
 
Would he call the flop on a draw, then push the turn giving you 1.8:1 pot odds? Without a read, this feels like a hand that slow played a strong hand on the flop despite the flush draw on the board, and is now trying to real you in. Against an unknown who calls the cb and then pushes the seeminly blank turn, I think you are behind more than 70% of the time, so you can fold without a read to indicate that he might be doing this with AQ or a draw.

Mike Kelley 08-13-2007 05:43 PM

Re: NL20 : AK TPTK facing turn raise AI
 
Baluga Theorem says you are beat. I have not been a fan of the Theorem but learning is painful.

Luckyspikes 08-14-2007 05:32 AM

Re: NL20 : AK TPTK facing turn raise AI
 
Is my turn bet OK to get called by weaker hands (AQ / AJ) ?

gieffe 08-14-2007 07:05 AM

Re: NL20 : AK TPTK facing turn raise AI
 
without knowing the villain, i'd play the way you've played (including the turn bet) and i'd fold his allin.

HesseJam 08-14-2007 07:11 AM

Re: NL20 : AK TPTK facing turn raise AI
 
[ QUOTE ]
Baluga Theorem says you are beat. I have not been a fan of the Theorem but learning is painful.

[/ QUOTE ]

MrBump 08-14-2007 09:18 AM

Re: NL20 : AK TPTK facing turn raise AI
 
I'd make it $1 preflop and fold the turn as played.

He probably has 2 pair and is scared of you drawing out on him.

threads13 08-14-2007 09:46 AM

Re: NL20 : AK TPTK facing turn raise AI
 
I think you could have raised more preflop. As it is this is going to be tough any time you get action from the button. I would start by betting a little bit less on the flop. The board isn't that drawy so most opponents should be drawing really thing unless they happen to have the FD. You could also consider checking the flop. After you make that flop bet you need to decide if you committed or not. I am not sure what the villains at this level play like.

If you think it will be profitable to get AI then I would bet.

If you don't think it is profitable to get AI then you should check the turn with the intention of folding to a reasonable bet and maybe calling a small bet.

Luckyspikes 08-14-2007 11:02 AM

Re: NL20 : AK TPTK facing turn raise AI
 
Thank you very much for all your comments.

[ QUOTE ]
If you think it will be profitable to get AI then I would bet.

If you don't think it is profitable to get AI then you should check the turn with the intention of folding to a reasonable bet and maybe calling a small bet.

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I don't think going AI with TPTK is profitable. I just love your answer. Thanks a lot.

Result : I fold, vilain does not show.

My major pb with TPTK (typicaly AK and sometimes AQ) is that i only win small pots and loose big ones. I'am not very confortable to make correct size bets to be call by a weaker hand.

Btw, i work hard and i'am glad to see the fold here is OK [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]


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