Value town where art thou
 

no reads on this guy yet, seems loose/bad

he donkbet into me in a 3bet pot earlier and i folded

shove river?


Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $186.90
BB: $251.15
Hero (UTG): $200.00
MP: $241.15
CO: $54.65
BTN: $202.70

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $7.00</font>, MP folds, CO calls $7.00, BTN folds, SB calls $6.00, <font color="red">BB raises to $24.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $75.00</font>, 2 folds, BB calls $51.00

Flop: ($164) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($164) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $62.00</font>, Hero calls $62.00

River: ($288) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks,

Re: Value town where art thou
 

i would check, mostly b/c its 4-bet and i think he has Ax a lot more often than QQ/JJ and folds QQ/JJ some meaningful %.

Re: Value town where art thou
 

I really don't think there's much value left in this hand.

Might be able to squeeze something out of a lower pair since he's really bad, but it seems kinda doubtful.

Re: Value town where art thou
 

I don't think he ever folds anything for $63 more.

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i would check, mostly b/c its 4-bet and i think he has Ax a lot more often than QQ/JJ and folds QQ/JJ some meaningful %.



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you think people flatcall 4bets with Ax hands more than with pairs?

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i would check, mostly b/c its 4-bet and i think he has Ax a lot more often than QQ/JJ and folds QQ/JJ some meaningful %.



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you think people flatcall 4bets with Ax hands more than with pairs?

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I think idiots do. They just love them some A-rag.

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i would check, mostly b/c its 4-bet and i think he has Ax a lot more often than QQ/JJ and folds QQ/JJ some meaningful %.



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you think people flatcall 4bets with Ax hands more than with pairs?

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I think idiots do. They just love them some A-rag.

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Re: Value town where art thou
 

i would check. its amazing how many times you see A-rag here - and these players are happy to check it down, but at the same time are willing to call a big river bet.

I dont think you can get much value out of QQ, JJ, 99 here so i think just check

Re: Value town where art thou
 

This look like QQ. The reason I say that is because he squuezed preflop which makes AJ/AQ/AK likely IF he has an ace. Now, if he has an ace (with any of these decent kickers), then he is putting his last $63 in on the river.

Shovel.

Re: Value town where art thou
 

check, aren't we only ahead of QQ here even if a flat call doesn't point to A-rag...he's bad, he could have an A here and i think it makes up a better part of his range...

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check bet check with ace rag? im not sure, think this is more likely jj or qq. id put the rest in, even if its just for the note. Also if you arn;t jamming here then u shouldn't call the turn. my guess is you called the turn cos u thought a good part of his range is not Ax i.e. lower pp's (if it wasn't then fold turn). if that is the case then i think u have to get the rest in.

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check bet check with ace rag? im not sure, think this is more likely jj or qq. id put the rest in, even if its just for the note. Also if you arn;t jamming here then u shouldn't call the turn. my guess is you called the turn cos u thought a good part of his range is not Ax i.e. lower pp's (if it wasn't then fold turn). if that is the case then i think u have to get the rest in.

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Hero has a flushdraw on the turn and two outs against AQ-.

Re: Value town where art thou
 

He also called turn because he had the nut flush draw.
QQ JJ are the only hands that you beat. But they are also the only hands that he has, so why not give him a chance to call with them?

Re: Value town where art thou
 

I would bet to valuetown QQ .. small though

Re: Value town where art thou
 

just shove it in and berate yourself for not realising that he will turn up there with A3o. Shove really is fine i think.

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shove seems pretty clear to me in retrospect, i checked and he had QQ. thanks.

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shove seems pretty clear to me in retrospect, i checked and he had QQ. thanks.

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i don't mind a shove here. it's probably slightly +ev given he's not folding any PP (especially &gt;ten) but you're gonna want to break your fist the many times he shows you some ratty ace rag.

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Check and I probably just shove preflop tbh.

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he has QQ or AA and I cant imagine AA checking the river w/ 63$ into 300 so that leaves QQ...

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i would check, mostly b/c its 4-bet and i think he has Ax a lot more often than QQ/JJ and folds QQ/JJ some meaningful %.



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you think people flatcall 4bets with Ax hands more than with pairs?

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not really, i was judging by his turn bet, since bad passive players dont usually v-bet QQ on that board.