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i may be the only person here left that's still watching this but i'm hoping to be impressed.

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I'm with you, DVR is running til' GF is over at 9:30.

My hopes aren't so much directed towards being impressed as they are towards things making sense!

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Last week they said all of our questions would be answered. I beg to differ.

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I hope thats how they intended to end the season and didnt have to throw in a lot of extra dramatic stuff to make sure the viewers want it to be picked up for season two.

El Camino salesman - whats his deal? John's dad speaking through him?

I heard the ending line correctly right - "Mother of God, Kai?"

Def need to watch this ep again. And Ed Oneil continues to be awesome ofc.

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I will watch again although it pains me. Ed oneil was awesome in this show and made it worthwhile to watch I guess. Is the show def done? Overall a big dissapointment.

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We'll never understand this show...unless someone explains to me how to get on the pipeline at JohnMonad.com

So ok, John is an alien robot sent to warn earth about an invasion in 2014? Or whatever. And Kai is going to give birth to the antichrist?

Who knows...what a strange a beautiful episode. Hope that Milch will be allowed to make tv again after basically pissing on his career by making art instead of tv.

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I thought it was "Mother of God, Cass Kai," but I could be wrong.

Also, awesome to see Mr. Wu make an appearance.

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I'm happy it's finally over. I felt like a chump watching this show from week to week, hoping that something would finally happen...and being repeatedly disappointed when nothing did. The "finale" was much of the same.

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Yea, I also thought the final line was "Mother of God, Cass Kai." No clue what that means.

Could 9/11/14 be a Bible verse?

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Could 9/11/14 be a Bible verse?

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i can't imagine, with all the towelhead talk, that's about anything other than 9/11/2014

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i can't imagine, with all the towelhead talk, that's about anything other than 9/11/2014

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Perhaps - I just don't see how they would work that into the show, since it is seven years down the road. Or what the Yosts would have to do with it.

Has anyone PMed Actual God to come talk to us yet?

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I'm glad it's over, and hope I have the will power not to give it another chance next season.

But all of it may have been worth it just to see:

F___KIN WOO!!!!! Especially to see him talk English.

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Yea, I also thought the final line was "Mother of God, Cass Kai." No clue what that means.

Could 9/11/14 be a Bible verse?

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The shuffleboard court had the numbers 9 11 14 on it in order as well. At least I think it did. Not that that means anything.

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I still have absolutely no clue about anything. If someone smart can please to be explaining to me everything, I'd appreciate it.

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Yea, I also thought the final line was "Mother of God, Cass Kai." No clue what that means.

Could 9/11/14 be a Bible verse?

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The shuffleboard court had the numbers 9 11 14 on it in order as well. At least I think it did. Not that that means anything.

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I read somewhere that 9:11:14 is some reference to John the Baptist?

The shuffleboard court had 9-11-14-10-OFF. Maybe a tribute to the non-possiblility of renewal - 10 episodes and OFF the air?

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I will say that the opening scene with Series of Dreams was really, really well done. Perfect song choice.

And what happened with the doctor? I didn't really catch that either.

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If the show never comes back I'm going to try and remember Bill upstairs in his house talking to his dead wife as the final moment from the series... even if it wasn't. Ed O'Neill was amazing in this show - he needs his own show.

Also - Actual God really needs to show up in this thread and please "make with the explaining". Even if it's just to tell us that he can't tell us anything.

AG? Anyone?

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Yea - I thought it said something about doctor Smith being younger, and showed some other actor. Wtf was that about?

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I'm glad it's over, and hope I have the will power not to give it another chance next season.

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You won't need much willpower. The show isn't coming back next season.

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Hopey, this seems obvy, but I havent heard this for sure. Have you?

I like puzzles, and stylized script-writing, so I liked the show. Most people who hated it seemed pretty unwilling to give anything different a shot, but oh well.

Dude Abides, I'm pretty sure the conversation with Stark cleared a lot up. What specific questions do you have?

John is coming to warn the earth about some imminent catastrophe involving terrorism and the environment. He is from a higher plane of existence, in some combination of spiritual, extraterrestrial and figurative. Their seemingly benevolent plan is to orchestrate the characters into a organization that will act as a bullhorn for a more conscious mode of living and possibly prevent or overcome the disaster. Many details are unclear, I suppose, but that's the essential gist amirite?

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I'm glad it's over, and hope I have the will power not to give it another chance next season.

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You won't need much willpower. The show isn't coming back next season.

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Do you promise? Has this been confirmed?

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Most people who hated it seemed pretty unwilling to give anything different a shot, but oh well.

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Tihs is silly. Most people who watched JFC in the first place were likely fans of Milch and of Deadwood - which was a very unique and stylized show. Difference was, Deadwood had interesting characters, JFC didn't. I'll stick with any weird storyline as long as the characters are compelling. These weren't.

Just my 2 cents but I get tired of the implication that always comes out when a critical favorite gets rejected by the mass audience. Which is that high pedigree yet ultimately crap shows must be too "difficult" for us unsophisticated viewers.

I'll give Milch a mulligan on this one given his track record. But I hope he focuses more on character than metaphysics next time.

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Loved barry talking about his bears just sitting there not molesting eachother for once. Seeing Wu was sick and a great surprise. 'Butchie hurt my tit' was mildly amusing as well. Also Kass talking [censored] to spiro when recording was pretty lol.

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I don't know Butchie instead

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I thought it was "Mother of God, Cass Kai," but I could be wrong.

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Correct.

I really didn't get this series at all, but I was mesmerized by it.

EDIT: Ok, that was an exaggeration. I did get it for the most part, but I am still confused as hell.

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I like puzzles, and stylized script-writing, so I liked the show. Most people who hated it seemed pretty unwilling to give anything different a shot, but oh well.

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BS. I gave it a shot, hell I gave it 10 and while I did enjoy it the few parts that were good, as a whole the series just tried far too hard and lost good storytelling in a sea of pretension and self-indulgence.

It was like the show was written, in equal parts, by a brilliant, gifted storyteller and an egotistical 15-year-old who has never written anything, but has read a third of 'Stephen King On Writing' and asked OOT how to get his staggering genius published.

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I like the final line is this article:

"If David Milch wrote a series in which he were parodying himself, how could you tell?"

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John is coming to warn the earth about some imminent catastrophe involving terrorism and the environment. He is from a higher plane of existence, in some combination of spiritual, extraterrestrial and figurative. Their seemingly benevolent plan is to orchestrate the characters into a organization that will act as a bullhorn for a more conscious mode of living and possibly prevent or overcome the disaster. Many details are unclear, I suppose, but that's the essential gist amirite?

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Maybe, but I don't think we have anywhere near enough evidence to be sure. Regardless, that leaves us with no explanation as to the how and why of the Yosts and friends being chosen or any specific events that took place during the season.

I sent Actual God a PM inviting him here, so hopefully he can give us some guidance of what was planned for season 2 - if he even knows.

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"There goes a drug casualty." Sounded more like a Milch line than a Bill Jacks line.

This show made no sense to me at all. I can't recommend it to anyone...

...but I enjoyed every single episode.

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Definitely read the Inside the Episode on the HBO website for some semblance of an idea of what Milch was going after...

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"Here's the thing. If you've [censored] up unremittingly for decades you wake up and you say to yourself, 'How the [censored] am I still alive? Don't they come and revoke the license at a certain point?' That's what the universe gives us every morning. No matter how far we have veered from reverence for the miraculous fact that we exist in a universe that we don't understand, every day we get a chance to start over...



"John is the chance that the universe gives you every day. And commerce, in the form of Linc, has been persuaded to enlist itself in the service of a miracle. Now, Linc's going to think he's bullshitting, because no one is ever sure of their sincerity. The only way that you demonstrate your sincerity is in action. Whatever Linc thinks he's doing, however uncertain he is, he has decided to take action and enlist Jake in protecting John's identity, so that the anxiety that people feel when they see a plane flying into a building, which makes them want to kill a stranger, doesn't happen to John. And the way that commerce is going to try to protect John is by saying, 'All these miracles that have been going on? It was all Stinkweed. It was all [censored]. It was all commerce. It was a big f**king promotion.' ... What we're seeing is the elaborate resourcefulness of commerce once it has devoted itself to attempting to protect the universe."

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Overall I really enjoyed the show even though I can't articulate why.

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Just my 2 cents but I get tired of the implication that always comes out when a critical favorite gets rejected by the mass audience. Which is that high pedigree yet ultimately crap shows must be too "difficult" for us unsophisticated viewers.

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JFC was not really a critical favorite--metacritic score of 51/100.

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The show has been canceled.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/0...eut/index.html

My favorite part of the short article:

"For the few devoted fans of the show...the mysterious final line in the season finale -- John saying, "Mother of God, Cass-Kai" over a shot of Kai (Keala Kennelly) surfing -- will remain just that, a mystery."

Dammit! That is the part that will remain a mystery? Just when I had figured out everything else!

EDIT: I said this after the first episode, and still believe it, despite the show's failure: Ed O'Neill should be up for an Emmy. He was insanely awesome.

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'John From Cincinnati' Wipes Out
Mitch Yost is out of the game.
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The network does, however, want to keep Milch in the fold. According to The Hollywood Reporter, HBO is talking with Milch, who also created "Deadwood," about extending a development deal that currently runs through next year. He reportedly has several new projects in mind.

What all that means for the long-awaited, still-technically-alive "Deadwood" movies is, like most things related to the planned wrapup of the series, up in the air.
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It started off with fairly solid ratings following the finale of "The Sopranos" in June, but the audience tailed off in subsequent weeks.

HBO has yet to make a decision on its other new series, the cult comedy "Flight of the Conchords."


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I love the show, and I thought the finale wasa bit uneven. They never really developed Mitch enough to make me care about him, and he just sucked up screen time.

The biggest fault with this show was that the most enjoyable characters weren't the leads. I wanted payoff for the doctor, more for Dickstein, for Barry (wtf with his pet zombie). I get what happened with the Yosts and Stinkweed and why that's important, but that's not really the part of the show I love.

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HBO has yet to make a decision on its other new series, the cult comedy "Flight of the Conchords."

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wtf, for some reason i thought this was popular. please don't cancel it, hbo!

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Damn, that sucks.

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The show has been canceled.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/0...eut/index.html

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that's too bad, but i can see why most people wouldn't have the patience to find the meaning in the show. i liked the style of it, but also agree that many of the characters were down right unlikeable.

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I liked this show and am sad to see it go. Hopefully Milch being freed up means more Deadwood somehow!

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There were about 7 or 8 characters who seemed to be hanging around without much to do. They didn't contribute to the development of the plot, and Milch's attempts at writing them into the story to justify their existences severely slowed things down.

Plus, it bears repeating: HOLY [censored] THAT KID COULD NOT ACT. He was so bad that it was hugely distracting.

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I am really upset that this show is cancelled and I will never find out what was happening. I love shows that make you think and this one sure did that.