NL25 - At what point in this should we raise?
 

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $29.25
BB: $74.80
Hero (UTG): $27.25
BTN: $24.65

Preflop: Hero is dealt 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $1.00</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $2.00</font>, Hero calls $1.00

Flop: ($4.10) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $2.50</font>, Hero calls $2.50

Turn: ($9.10) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $5.00</font>, Hero calls $5.00

River: ($19.10) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $14.00</font>

Looking back at this hand, I have a strong feeling we should've raised somewhere, to figure out where we are at in the hand. Villian running 15/14. There were quite a few draws out there, so I called down very weakishly. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Re: NL25 - At what point in this should we raise?
 

uhhh 15/14 3bets you pf, EEEZZZ fold...as played im probably not callin 2 streets of bettin from this guy. Raising flop really doesnt get value from anything you beat. Might get called by a few draws but most things you beat fold out. Id probably call the flop and look to control the pot but after he fires the turn even tho its weak im probably foldin. Really what do you beat that a nit/tagish guy is firing 2 barrels w/ here??? As played EZ fold on river.

Re: NL25 - At what point in this should we raise?
 

A better question is at what point you should fold...against a 15/14, you're probably not ahead at any point in this hand.

Re: NL25 - At what point in this should we raise?
 

I think the call preflop is fine. You have a hand that can hit pretty hard and stack a villain with most of his range with a flush or two pair. I think raising on the flop is going to be best.
You going to get more information when you can and when its cheap. You don't want to play a big pot with that hand, and taking it down on the flop is what you want. If your called I would shut down because after the turn, you only beat KK or worse.

Re: NL25 - At what point in this should we raise?
 

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I think the call preflop is fine. You have a hand that can hit pretty hard and stack a villain with most of his range with a flush or two pair.

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This is not solid advice. IMO You cant play ace rag hands against 15/14 types and think your gonna be profitable in the long run.

I fold preflop.

Re: NL25 - At what point in this should we raise?
 

fold pf, what hand are you beating?

Re: NL25 - At what point in this should we raise?
 

I would have raised to 7ish on the flop. If he reraises you or bets out on the turn you have an easy fold. When he bets on the flop, I always think 'if I call, what will my move be if he does x,y,or z on the turn?' If you say that you would call a 5 dollar bet, then why not get it in here? You might even be able to check it down.

But I would fold this preflop against those stats

Re: NL25 - At what point in this should we raise?
 

fold pre.

Re: NL25 - At what point in this should we raise?
 

never.

We never shouldve really seen a flop.

Re: NL25 - At what point in this should we raise?
 

The preflop call is not that bad. It's 4-way and you're getting 3:1 in position. Just don't get married to it postflop.

On the flop, assuming villain's range is TT+, AK, AQ, we're ahead of 24 hands (TT-KK) and behind 17 (AA, AK, AQ). Raise it up.

Re: NL25 - At what point in this should we raise?
 

raising the flop sucks, because all of those hands you're ahead of fold, and all of those hands you're behind call or raise. also, we're in position, so we'll find out just about as much by calling as we would by raising, and calling is a hell of a lot cheaper. we might even get to show our hand down if we're lucky. yay!

preflop, i don't make that call, but i don't think its that bad either. on the flop, i might call once and then fold to further agression unimproved. i have no problem folding there though, and i feel really strongly that raising is pretty bad.

Re: NL25 - At what point in this should we raise?
 

Why raise though? We either have him crushed or are crushed ourselves. Seems like it would cost about the same to get to showdown as it would to raise and find out we're beat by the better part of his range.

Calling seems better than raising to me. I guess raising the flop might discourage him from value betting big Aces on the turn and river and we might actually get to showdown cheaper that way, but it also stops him from betting KK,QQ etc, although I don't think hardly anyone is 3 barrelling underpairs here.

I don't know, I pretty much suck at playing weak aces so I usually fold.

Re: NL25 - At what point in this should we raise?
 

I raise the flop because I'm a pansy and it's easier than calling a turn bet with no information (calling doesn't give us any indication of villain's hand).

Re: NL25 - At what point in this should we raise?
 

Min raise should suggest that hitting the A may not be enough. I think without a nice suited flop for you or two pair or trip 7's it's a check/fold on river. I don't mind seeing a flop with this though.

Re: NL25 - At what point in this should we raise?
 

Fold pf against a player with those stats... As played I think u can fold the turn. I like calling the flop in position here, but another barrel from this type of player means ur behind in most instances