The negative stigma against slowrolling- I don\'t get it.
 

Why is it OK to try to tilt people through other means, (retarded chat, screen names that make light of things like the holocaust, 9/11 and so on etc) but it is not OK to slowroll people? Isn't this just the greatest way to tilt someone?

As long as the intent is to anger someone, why does it matter in what fashion it is accomplished?



(I don't slowroll, try to tilt people through chat, or have an offensive screen name)

Re: The negative stigma against slowrolling- I don\'t get it.
 

Don't forget to mfing DIAGF

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screenname: LOLAnneFrank

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I don't get it either.

I've never been annoyed by a slowroll, yet I've seen fights break out in live casinos over it.

Why does it really bother anyone other than wasting time? If that's the true cause of why slowrolling is bad, I'd be permatilted by the slow-moving mouth breathers I play every day.

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slowrolling tilts people because once he times down you expect to win when called if youre value betting, and to a lesser extent gives you hope that your bluffs will work, isnt it obvious?

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I feel like attempting to tilt someone is a poor way to win money. I'm not going to say that person's money is any worse than someone else's, but I certainly have less respect for people who actively try to tilt someone through chatting and slow play.

However, screennames don't bother me as much. Hell, I played on Empire as IEffedJonBenet. I never said I was consistent.

Re: The negative stigma against slowrolling- I don\'t get it.
 

ffs, just dont do it.

these brag posts the last days from ppl that have slowrolled without a very good reason tilts me.

Re: The negative stigma against slowrolling- I don\'t get it.
 

retarded chat is way more creative

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slowrolling tilts people because once he times down you expect to win when called if youre value betting, and to a lesser extent gives you hope that your bluffs will work, isnt it obvious?

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Did you read the OP?

Re: The negative stigma against slowrolling- I don\'t get it.
 

yes, and I dont see how ppl thinks its OK just because offensive SNs etc. are.

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I dont know. If its a regular and you cant find any other ways to beat him then whatever. Its a tough business and there is karma police. But people who slowroll fish (i.e. random people) for no particular reason deserve to lose both of their hands.

Re: The negative stigma against slowrolling- I don\'t get it.
 

huh, why should it be ok to do it vs a regular?

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its just not good etiquette

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yes, and I dont see how ppl thinks its OK just because offensive SNs etc. are.

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I wasn't replying to you.

Re: The negative stigma against slowrolling- I don\'t get it.
 

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Re: The negative stigma against slowrolling- I don\'t get it.
 

OK let me pose an example:

Lets say you are playing against a guy that you know will tilt like crazy if you show him a bluff. You end up playing a huge pot with him where you bluff shove the river and he folds. The obvious play here is to show the bluff instead of mucking. The result is that he is very pissed off.

Now consider a different situation: You have the absolute nuts on the river and the same guy shoves all in. If you slowroll him, you know that he will be extremely tilted, so you decide to slowroll. The result is the exact same as in example one, but yet example one is supposedly fine as far as etiquette is concerned, whereas ex 2 will practically incite murderous rage in people not even involved in the hand.

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Why is it OK to try to tilt people through other means, (retarded chat, screen names that make light of things like the holocaust, 9/11 and so on etc)

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Since when have screenames about 9/11 and the holocaust been ok? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Why is it OK to try to tilt people through other means, (retarded chat, screen names that make light of things like the holocaust, 9/11 and so on etc)

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Since when have screenames about 9/11 and the holocaust been ok? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Make a post about someone's sn being LOL_holocaust and see what kind of responses you get, then make one about someone slowrolling you.

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I think the argument is that you are not only effecting the person in the hand, but everyone at the table by wasting there time. Where do you draw the line between trying to get someone to tilt vs etiquette? Just like slow playing on the bubble.

I've got no problem showing someone a bluff, because its specially aimed at them, and doesn't waste other people's time. Yeah I know the argument can be made of trying to tilt the whole table, but again, where do you draw the line?

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Why is it OK to try to tilt people through other means, (retarded chat, screen names that make light of things like the holocaust, 9/11 and so on etc) but it is not OK to slowroll people? Isn't this just the greatest way to tilt someone?

As long as the intent is to anger someone, why does it matter in what fashion it is accomplished?



(I don't slowroll, try to tilt people through chat, or have an offensive screen name)

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Because slowrolling is inherently showing up the other dude whereas retarted chat/offensive screen names don't have that characteristic.

Retarted chat to try to tilt someone like "ZOMG YOU SUCK... FISH. CMON FISHY, PLAY SOME MORE PLZ" doesn't really attack a person's pride in the same way slowrolling does.

Slowrolling is all about ego. It's like the loser of the hand is saying "OMG, not only did you win the hand, but you forced me to sit here agonizing my bluff shove on the river and you squeezed out every ounce of drama out of me with the best possible hand. You tricked me. Bastard."

Slowrolling has a different vibe that just cuts deeper than loudmouth idiot donk chat.

Re: The negative stigma against slowrolling- I don\'t get it.
 

do unto others, [censored]

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Some people do anything under the guise of, "I was just trying to tilt him."

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Why is it OK to try to tilt people through other means, (retarded chat, screen names that make light of things like the holocaust, 9/11 and so on etc)

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Since when have screenames about 9/11 and the holocaust been ok? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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since 9/11 and the holocaust...


not really

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I think the argument is that you are not only effecting the person in the hand, but everyone at the table by wasting there time. Where do you draw the line between trying to get someone to tilt vs etiquette? Just like slow playing on the bubble.

I've got no problem showing someone a bluff, because its specially aimed at them, and doesn't waste other people's time. Yeah I know the argument can be made of trying to tilt the whole table, but again, where do you draw the line?

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I don't really buy this explanation. You can effectively slowroll someone and take just like 4 seconds.



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Because slowrolling is inherently showing up the other dude whereas retarted chat/offensive screen names don't have that characteristic.

Retarted chat to try to tilt someone like "ZOMG YOU SUCK... FISH. CMON FISHY, PLAY SOME MORE PLZ" doesn't really attack a person's pride in the same way slowrolling does.

Slowrolling is all about ego. It's like the loser of the hand is saying "OMG, not only did you win the hand, but you forced me to sit here agonizing my bluff shove on the river and you squeezed out every ounce of drama out of me with the best possible hand. You tricked me. Bastard."

Slowrolling has a different vibe that just cuts deeper than loudmouth idiot donk chat.

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This makes a lot of sense to me, thanks for the response.

With all of that being true, it seems like 2+2ers should try to not be bothered by being slowrolled instead of getting all worked up about it.

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its just not good etiquette

[/ QUOTE ]It's just a huge douche move, and the other guy gets his hopes up, then gets monkeytilted when you show the nuts after river hollywood tank.

Re: The negative stigma against slowrolling- I don\'t get it.
 

I once tried to bluff slowroll drizzle in a one dollar sng


















































yeah, didnt work, at all.

Re: The negative stigma against slowrolling- I don\'t get it.
 

And another thing....

When people like Cory Zeidman try to explain themselves years after the fact during the WSOP ME final table in a GOD AWFUL explanation that runs longer than 5 minutes, that kinda shows how much the perception of slowrolling can affect someone's pride if they're perceived to be a slowroller.

It's a stigma, it cuts deep.

Re: The negative stigma against slowrolling- I don\'t get it.
 

I think slowrolling is funny.

Re: The negative stigma against slowrolling- I don\'t get it.
 

personaly, I play this game to try ad win money. not to please some untold internet etiquitte. if slow rolling a player at my table will cause him to tilt and maximize my bottom line, I have no probem with that. if I get slowrolled and can't figure it out, that's my mistake.

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@_@

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Why not just put your feet up on the back of someone's chair at the movies? Why not just mug everyone that is weaker than you? As long as it's +EV who cares if they get upset.

Re: The negative stigma against slowrolling- I don\'t get it.
 

I'm kind of surprised at how many people don't understand the point of this thread.

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Why not just put your feet up on the back of someone's chair at the movies? Why not just mug everyone that is weaker than you? As long as it's +EV who cares if they get upset.

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The former is -EV though, loose change falls out of your pockets.

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In the civilzed world you do not go around trying to enrage your fellow man. You treat people in the world with dignity and respect. This is what civilzation aspires towards. People who slowroll are saying that they want us to revert back to poo-flinging apes for no other reason that it will make it easier for them to eat.

But if everyone followed their example than civilization would crumble and then only the strongest would eat. Most slowrollers are not the strongest so they should do their best to contribute to the maxims of civilization.

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slowrolling and offensive screen names are equally bush league in my book

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Why not just put your feet up on the back of someone's chair at the movies? Why not just mug everyone that is weaker than you? As long as it's +EV who cares if they get upset.

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The former is -EV though, loose change falls out of your pockets.

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I never carry change. It is +EV for comfort.

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I equate slowrolling to talking trash, admiring your home run instead of just running the bases, doing a big touchdown dance, etc. It's showing up your opponent. You're basically taunting your opponent with your victory.

I don't like that in any sport, and I don't like it in poker.

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In the civilzed world you do not go around trying to enrage your fellow man. You treat people in the world with dignity and respect. This is what civilzation aspires towards. People who slowroll are saying that they want us to revert back to poo-flinging apes for no other reason that it will make it easier for them to eat.

But if everyone followed their example than civilization would crumble and then only the strongest would eat. Most slowrollers are not the strongest so they should do their best to contribute to the foundations of civilization.

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you mean like, limit players?

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In the civilzed world you do not go around trying to enrage your fellow man. You treat people in the world with dignity and respect. This is what civilzation aspires towards. People who slowroll are saying that they want us to revert back to poo-flinging apes for no other reason that it will make it easier for them to eat.

But if everyone followed their example than civilization would crumble and then only the strongest would eat. Most slowrollers are not the strongest so they should do their best to contribute to the foundations of civilization.

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you mean like, limit players?

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Exactly. Limit hold em was invented by the Beast in a hope to destroy man by his own vices.

Re: The negative stigma against slowrolling- I don\'t get it.
 

I think trying to tilt people is [censored].

If I yell at people in chat it's because I'm the one on tilt.

Slowrolling makes you a piece of crap and Jesus will cry.