($55) AK on KTT -- cbet, C/C, C/R, or C/Puush because donks call?
 

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UTG (t1000)
Hero (t1000)
MP1 (t770)
MP2 (t955)
MP3 (t910)
CO+1 (t990)
CO (t740)
Button (t1390)
SB (t1380)
BB (t865)

Preflop: Hero is in UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls t15, <font color="red">Hero raises t60</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, MP2 calls t60, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, SB calls t50, BB calls t45, <font color="gray">UTG folds</font>

Flop: (t255) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="red">MP2 bets t250</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero bets t940 (All-in)</font>, <font color="red">MP2 bets t645 (All-in)</font>

Turn: (t2090) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)


River: (t2090) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)


My normal line is to cbet here. I considered calling the flop to push the turn... would that have been better?

Re: ($55) AK on KTT -- cbet, C/C, C/R, or C/Puush because donks call?
 

I'd c bet that flop.

Re: ($55) AK on KTT -- cbet, C/C, C/R, or C/Puush because donks call?
 

Why c/r all-in? I am a party $11 nOOB still but I am sure the 55's have donks.

It wouldn't surprize me in the least to to see someone call a 4xBB raise in MP with AT,ATo,KT,KTo,QT,QTo,JT,JTo,TT,Heck even T9, and T9o

I don't know how much credit for better players are given at the 55's. However if this was an 11--

I would raise more PF and C-bet that flop.

Re: ($55) AK on KTT -- cbet, C/C, C/R, or C/Puush because donks call?
 

Tigerite, why cbet? Would love to hear your thoughts.

Laldaas, thanks for the post. I'm not too worried about him having a T. Out of 47 cards left in the deck, exactly 2 are Ts. Also, the fact that he called me preflop raise leads me to believe that it's much more likely he has AJ+ or PP. Of course, you never know and he can have a T or even KK after all. But if you start hedging against such long shots, it doesn't take long to bleed off all your money to LAG donkeys.

I'm against a cbet here because AK is a common PFR raise hand, and there is still KK as well. I can't think of very many hands that would call a cbet here. By checking I'm hoping to induce a (semi)bluff. I really want all his chips in on the flop.

Against even a very tight calling range I'm ahead 70% of the time.

Re: ($55) AK on KTT -- cbet, C/C, C/R, or C/Puush because donks call?
 

Please note the huge difference on this flop between KTT and a K99 flop. KTT gives a gutshot to any big ace that whiffed and if he decided to play QJ he has an OESD.

That said, I hate your line here, you have a hand to protect and you are practically begging anyone with a weak king to fold as quickly as possible. You don't care about "maximizing FE" here because your hand has a ton of equity in and of itself.

I would bet the flop and call a push.

Re: ($55) AK on KTT -- cbet, C/C, C/R, or C/Puush because donks call?
 

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Tigerite, why cbet? Would love to hear your thoughts.

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I would frequently do it because I'm continuing on lots of flops that I whiff, and on a paired board people are generally somewhat less likely to give you credit for your hand.

The one advantage to not leading out here is suppressing the size of the pot. The c/r all-in throws this out the window. Any hand other than QJ is WA/WB against you. I'd usually try and let the guy who has shown interest bet his hand for me, as it has some chance of losing less to a T and extracting more from QQ or KQ (which you'll usually stack anyway) than the c/r all-in.

Re: ($55) AK on KTT -- cbet, C/C, C/R, or C/Puush because donks call?
 

I wolud bet the flop for sure.

Re: ($55) AK on KTT -- cbet, C/C, C/R, or C/Puush because donks call?
 

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I wolud bet the flop for sure.

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Call or fold to a reraise all in?

Re: ($55) AK on KTT -- cbet, C/C, C/R, or C/Puush because donks call?
 

I dunno depends how it goes exactly...a button raise is much less scary than a SB check raise.

Re: ($55) AK on KTT -- cbet, C/C, C/R, or C/Puush because donks call?
 

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I'm not too worried about him having a T. Out of 47 cards left in the deck, exactly 2 are Ts.

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Nothing personal, but in my opinion this is a donkish way to think. "Hey, there's NO WAY one of those other three players in the pot with me could have a ten!"

Well, yes there is a way. Your job is to figure out whether or not they do. A LAG probably doesn't. A rock probably does.

As for the flop bet, you'd hate to see another broadway card here, so you bet to try to take it down without having to risk your whole stack on a check-raise when villain might feel pot-committed or might be way ahead.

If someone pushes, then you have a decision to make.

Re: ($55) AK on KTT -- cbet, C/C, C/R, or C/Puush because donks call?
 

Thanks pineapple.

Re: ($55) AK on KTT -- cbet, C/C, C/R, or C/Puush because donks call?
 

Why is this a c-bet? I would bet this flop. That being said, due to your action preflop, I almost certainly leave the option to let go of this hand open.

The way you played this hand, I'd be more inclined to just call on the flop.

Re: ($55) AK on KTT -- cbet, C/C, C/R, or C/Puush because donks call?
 

Early in a tournement stack conservation take precedence. You cant win the tourney here, but you sure as hell can go home early...

I think that a continuation bet 75% of the pot is a natural play. (as an aside, what would your play be if you had ATs in the same position?)

My bigest concern about the check raise, is what are the chances that MP2 is betting w/ less then AK into the SB and BB, and back to you?

I am still a but of a pussy with flops like this early, so I would bet to see where I was, and consider laying it down to an all in RR.

Re: ($55) AK on KTT -- cbet, C/C, C/R, or C/Puush because donks call?
 

Assuming you bet the pot on the flop and get raised all-in, you're getting better than 2 to 1 to call. That seems like a pretty difficult fold.

Re: ($55) AK on KTT -- cbet, C/C, C/R, or C/Puush because donks call?
 

I'm with you on this. I don't know what it's like on the $55's, but in the lowly depths where we play, you need a bigger raise to get week people out. Now if he were in a later position, having several players being last to act with AKs would be OK.

Re: ($55) AK on KTT -- cbet, C/C, C/R, or C/Puush because donks call?
 

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Assuming you bet the pot on the flop and get raised all-in, you're getting better than 2 to 1 to call. That seems like a pretty difficult fold.

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Unless you were 75% sure villain had a T. Admittedly, I'd rarely come to that decision, but I was trying to make a more general point.

And I wouldn't bet the pot, but anyway...

Re: ($55) AK on KTT -- cbet, C/C, C/R, or C/Puush because donks call?
 

Villain had K8. I didn't want to bet the flop because anyone without a K or T would fold. I figured if I checked, either a K or T would bet or someone would take a stab at the pot.

I don't understand why betting the flop is better than a check-raise.

Re: ($55) AK on KTT -- cbet, C/C, C/R, or C/Puush because donks call?
 

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Villain had K8. I didn't want to bet the flop because anyone without a K or T would fold. I figured if I checked, either a K or T would bet or someone would take a stab at the pot.

I don't understand why betting the flop is better than a check-raise.

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1.) Don't be results-oriented.

2.) I explained it above, so I won't repeat myself.

3.) If he was dumb enough to do what he did, which was unspeakably awful, he probably would have called you on the flop anyway, and there are various possibilities after that, but most likely you still would have won a very nice pot.

Edit: Although it looks like the pot was split, but I'm sure you see my point.

Re: ($55) AK on KTT -- cbet, C/C, C/R, or C/Puush because donks call?
 

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I don't understand why betting the flop is better than a check-raise.

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It depends strongly on who you're playing. I think most good players are going to fold just about every K to your c/r all-in on that board, whereas they aren't likely to fold the K to your open bet. Bad players, for that matter, aren't likely to fold in either scenario. The c/r is a much more expected line for strong hands on these boards, and so the bet looks weaker and can maybe get you some action.