Bottom set in trouble??? $11s
 

Full Tilt Poker Game #3195290522: $10 + $1 Sit & Go (24426828), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:56:01 ET - 2007/08/08
Seat 1: STR8FLOPPIN (1,512)
Seat 2: tylerdurdend (2,295)
Seat 3: tafokints (2,920)
Seat 4: ThunderFDC (1,615)
Seat 5: Alex_Striker (1,515)
Seat 8: Triplej2688 (1,593)
Seat 9: grizzly8 (2,050)
tylerdurdend posts the small blind of 20
tafokints posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tafokints [2s 2c]
ThunderFDC raises to 80
Alex_Striker folds
Triplej2688 folds
grizzly8 calls 80
STR8FLOPPIN calls 80
tylerdurdend calls 60
tafokints calls 40
*** FLOP *** [Kh 2d 4h]
tylerdurdend checks
tafokints bets 240
ThunderFDC calls 240
grizzly8 raises to 1,360
STR8FLOPPIN raises to 1,432, and is all in
tylerdurdend folds
grizzly8: oops
grizzly8: lol
tafokints has 15 seconds left to act

It seems like someone has kings or 4s here, am i really laying down a set in the $11s???

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It seems like someone has kings or 4s here, am i really laying down a set in the $11s???

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No. Call and laugh when one turns over AK and the other KQ

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Well played, especially the flop lead because now most any king will raise/call all the way. The preflop raiser either has a king or is scared of the king, so either he's done with hand anyway or going to the felt with it. That makes betting the best play because more money gois in the pot when he has a hand and the same amount (zero) goes in when he doesn't. Someone else has a set about 0% of the time and whoopee good for them if they do.

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Pre-flop action indicates that KK is really not an option from either of these guys. You're behind 44, that's it.

Anyways, instacall all day long & twice on Sunday.

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wait you considered folding a set?!?!

lolz

you have the nutsssssssssss!!

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they have a set here sometimes, but not often enough to make this a fold, get it in

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Pre-flop action indicates that KK is really not an option from either of these guys. You're behind 44, that's it.

Anyways, instacall all day long & twice on Sunday.

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I think the minraiser sometimes has KK here, although not very often. I wouldn't necessarily take it completely out of his possible holdings.

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You can never fold here. If you're beat, then you are and you can go on to the next sit and go, but you absolutely cannot drop a set against what could easily be hands like AK, KQ, or K4 suited.

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please never ever fold here

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i was to busy calling those allins, whatd you say?

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Pre-flop action indicates that KK is really not an option from either of these guys. You're behind 44, that's it.

Anyways, instacall all day long & twice on Sunday.

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I think the minraiser sometimes has KK here, although not very often. I wouldn't necessarily take it completely out of his possible holdings.

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Well right, but unless we have a 4 way all-in coming then he doesn't. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
I assumed he folded.

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I fold sets all the time but nah don't fold this one

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If your opponents range was exactly 44, KK, AK, you prolly would think you weren't doing very good. You might think you are a 2:1 dog. However, there are 3 ways for each of KK, 44, and 12 for him to have AK, so 6 times you are crushed and 12 times you crush (he can't have AK and the flush draw). You are about a 2:1 favorite, so shove it in all day. A more realistic range would include KQ, AA and flush draws and take into account that he folds KQ, AK, AA sometimes (people don't fold flush draws too often at low limit sngs).
Bottomline: POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHH IT

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It was actually a relatively easy call, but my question would be what level stakes would you guys even consider a fold?

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U dont fold a set on a non flush board. Folding top two pair is another thing on flop is another thing IMO.