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ollie5050 08-08-2007 12:58 AM

AJo on the button, bb is short stack
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

SB (t2255)
BB (t920)
UTG (t1435)
UTG+1 (t2670)
MP1 (t1328)
MP2 (t1205)
CO (t2142)
Hero (t1545)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero? </font>,

I'm thinking that I have a decent amount of FE, as I have been tight at the table, Are we shoveing this?

impmaster 08-08-2007 06:39 AM

Re: AJo on the button, bb is short stack
 
Yes, easy shove.

RexWoo 08-08-2007 06:44 AM

Re: AJo on the button, bb is short stack
 
Buy-in ?

At a smaller buy-in , I think I prefer a t375 raise, calling a push from BB, not from BB.

Luisgallo 08-08-2007 06:57 AM

Re: AJo on the button, bb is short stack
 
you shove this without even thinking about it.

Luisgallo 08-08-2007 07:01 AM

Re: AJo on the button, bb is short stack
 
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Buy-in ?

At a smaller buy-in , I think I prefer a t375 raise, calling a push from BB, not from BB.

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that's confusing.

Also raising and then folding AJ here is awfully weak tight unless dictated by a strong read.

mortimo 08-08-2007 07:54 AM

Re: AJo on the button, bb is short stack
 
I push A-x here..Leak?

sixfour 08-08-2007 08:11 AM

Re: AJo on the button, bb is short stack
 
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I push A-x here..Leak?

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I'm not pushing any ace, probably, ooh, A8+

diditmyway 08-08-2007 08:12 AM

Re: AJo on the button, bb is short stack
 
AJ easy push, i probably push down to A4s,A7o,KJs,KQo,22+

sence25 08-08-2007 08:28 AM

Re: AJo on the button, bb is short stack
 
i can't help but my range is even wider than that
can't fold QJ, KT, prolly even QT or JT here..

ollie5050 08-08-2007 05:34 PM

Re: AJo on the button, bb is short stack
 
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Buy-in ?


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Sorry, was really tired when i posted, as i know better.

Its a $6.50 on Stars.

AMT 08-08-2007 05:49 PM

Re: AJo on the button, bb is short stack
 
shooooove. bb isnt *that* short (not that it matters a lot)

vMario 08-08-2007 08:16 PM

Re: AJo on the button, bb is short stack
 
This is definitely a shove. Raising makes no sense.

sonneti 08-08-2007 08:47 PM

Re: AJo on the button, bb is short stack
 
Shoving this, KT+ and any pair too [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Cixelsyd23 08-08-2007 09:41 PM

Re: AJo on the button, bb is short stack
 
autoshove

JDalla 08-09-2007 12:16 AM

Re: AJo on the button, bb is short stack
 
prolly shove, but I think it's closer than ^^ say. Raise/call can be good for metagame, and the shortstack may push some weaker hands if he (incorrectly) thinks he has FE.

Shillx 08-09-2007 12:49 AM

Re: AJo on the button, bb is short stack
 
Hugely non-exploitable

rakemeplz 08-09-2007 05:34 AM

Re: AJo on the button, bb is short stack
 
[ QUOTE ]
Buy-in ?

At a smaller buy-in , I think I prefer a t375 raise, calling a push from BB, not from BB.

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Wouldn't you be better putting the SB to a decision for all his chips, rather than folding to a reshove vs coinflip type holdings?

I'd never consider making a small raise here (but I also suck)

Bruut99 08-09-2007 06:16 AM

Re: AJo on the button, bb is short stack
 
Im also not pushing. I rather raise 350 chips in this situation. It looks a hell of a lot stronger then an all-in. You can allways call an push from BB. You still have an decision if SB pushes. And you can play a flop in position if SB or BB or both calls the raise. I sure like raising over pushing a lot more in the Turbo sng's.

ger664 08-09-2007 07:40 AM

Re: AJo on the button, bb is short stack
 
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I sure like raising over pushing a lot more in the Turbo sng's.

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I would like to hear why you think this is true.

Luisgallo 08-09-2007 08:30 AM

Re: AJo on the button, bb is short stack
 
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Im also not pushing. I rather raise 350 chips in this situation. It looks a hell of a lot stronger then an all-in. You can allways call an push from BB. You still have an decision if SB pushes. And you can play a flop in position if SB or BB or both calls the raise. I sure like raising over pushing a lot more in the Turbo sng's.

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That is insane.
Raising 350 doesn't not look stronger then pushing, for the simple fact that you are giving so many options to the blinds.
As shilx correctly said this is a very unexploitable situation, if blinds fold you are happy to win them increasing your stack by 15% if the call you have a strong enough hand to play.

santiagoz 08-09-2007 08:35 AM

Re: AJo on the button, bb is short stack
 
Easy push for me.
Are you guys serious about raise/folding ?


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