Who\'s idea was it to hold a major in August in Oklahoma???
 

the tournament forecast at Southern Hills:

Thursday: 101* F
Friday: 98* F
Saturday: 103* F
Sunday: 100* F

that's just nuts.

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Ugh...that is going to be brutal.

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Someone who's a fan of sweat?

Ugh.

Time to buy stock in Gatorade.

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Think if were played the proper way with 36 hole matches. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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So they're supposed to have this on the Pacific Coast every year? I think that's the only place in the country right now that's not hot.

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What's funny is that given the forecast I'm almost positive it will be less uncomfortable here in Phoenix this week than it would in OK, but people get sticker shock about the temperatures. The only difference is that Tulsa will see some reprieve now and then, if only slight, whereas we know it's gonna suck balls pretty consistently from June through September.

Pity that we'll almost certainly never get a major here, because I'd like to see the pros take on a true desert course under major tournament conditions.

EDIT: yikes.

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The players in good physical condition should have a clear advantage in this one.

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I was out there for the practice round today I think i would have died if i had to wear pants instead of shorts.

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The players in good physical condition should have a clear advantage in this one.

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There isn't a single golfer in the field that the heat will have an effect on. This is simply business as usual.

BO

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The players in good physical condition should have a clear advantage in this one.

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There isn't a single golfer in the field that the heat will have an effect on. This is simply business as usual.

BO

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Interesting. I'm sure you know more about this than me. You don't think a player like Tim Herron or John Daly or Phil Mickelson is at a disadvantage in the extreme heat?

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Interesting. I'm sure you know more about this than me. You don't think a player like Tim Herron or John Daly or Phil Mickelson is at a disadvantage in the extreme heat?

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Nope for at least two reasons. One, this isn't extreme heat. The media will try to make a big deal out of it but it's probably harder on the golf course than anything. Those bent grass greens are going to be syringed frequently. Ask golfers on the Asian Tours about extreme heat and humidity. Two, as I said, this is business as usual. Many tournaments this time of year are played in warm weather. The golfers are more than used to it. They simply drink lots of fluids and perhaps don't practice as much.

BO

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"They simply drink lots of fluids and perhaps don't practice as much."

John Daly IOW.

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To be fair, there's really nowhere in the USA (other than maybe like Pacific Northwest) where there isn't a chance of it being this hot. Even this week in Chicago it's mid 90s and high humidity.

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this isn't extreme heat. The media will try to make a big deal out of it...this is business as usual. Many tournaments this time of year are played in warm weather. The golfers are more than used to it. They simply drink lots of fluids and perhaps don't practice as much.

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A high of 100 degrees with dew points in the 70s is not extreme heat!? What planet do you live on?

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this isn't extreme heat. The media will try to make a big deal out of it...this is business as usual. Many tournaments this time of year are played in warm weather. The golfers are more than used to it. They simply drink lots of fluids and perhaps don't practice as much.

BO

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A high of 100 degrees with dew points in the 70s is not extreme heat!? What planet do you live on?

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Ya, I thought his comment was pretty nuts, this is the hottest and stickiest it has been in the midwest in a long time. It will be a factor, enough so that meteorologists are reccomending nto to go out for too long this week here in st. louis. 115 heat or something like that here in stl.

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guids,

You should never stay out too long in StL because if you do you will likely be shot and killed.

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A high of 100 degrees with dew points in the 70s is not extreme heat!? What planet do you live on?

Ya, I thought his comment was pretty nuts, this is the hottest and stickiest it has been in the midwest in a long time. It will be a factor, enough so that meteorologists are reccomending nto to go out for too long this week here in st. louis. 115 heat or something like that here in stl.

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Well, you gotta remember, I played in this kind of heat constantly for 15 years through college and pro golf carrying my own bag most of the time. I never had a day where the heat got the best of me or affected my play in any way. This includes temperatures of close to 110.

Sure it's hot, no question there. But it's not going to effect the players at the PGA one iota on the course. Therefore, I don't consider it extreme heat, at least for the golfers. For the elderly and/or general public with little or no A/C it's a totally different story. But as far as this golf discussion goes, this is not extreme heat.

BO

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guids,

You should never stay out too long in StL because if you do you will likely be shot and killed.

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Tuq,

its too hot for any of us to do any shooting this week.

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A high of 100 degrees with dew points in the 70s is not extreme heat!? What planet do you live on?

Ya, I thought his comment was pretty nuts, this is the hottest and stickiest it has been in the midwest in a long time. It will be a factor, enough so that meteorologists are reccomending nto to go out for too long this week here in st. louis. 115 heat or something like that here in stl.

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Well, you gotta remember, I played in this kind of heat constantly for 15 years through college and pro golf carrying my own bag most of the time. I never had a day where the heat got the best of me or affected my play in any way. This includes temperatures of close to 110.

Sure it's hot, no question there. But it's not going to effect the players at the PGA one iota on the course. Therefore, I don't consider it extreme heat, at least for the golfers. For the elderly and/or general public with little or no A/C it's a totally different story. But as far as this golf discussion goes, this is not extreme heat.

BO

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Im betting that every other comment from teh announcers, and the players will be about the heat, and its affect, so time will tell.

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A high of 100 degrees with dew points in the 70s is not extreme heat!? What planet do you live on?

Ya, I thought his comment was pretty nuts, this is the hottest and stickiest it has been in the midwest in a long time. It will be a factor, enough so that meteorologists are reccomending nto to go out for too long this week here in st. louis. 115 heat or something like that here in stl.

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Well, you gotta remember, I played in this kind of heat constantly for 15 years through college and pro golf carrying my own bag most of the time. I never had a day where the heat got the best of me or affected my play in any way. This includes temperatures of close to 110.

Sure it's hot, no question there. But it's not going to effect the players at the PGA one iota on the course. Therefore, I don't consider it extreme heat, at least for the golfers. For the elderly and/or general public with little or no A/C it's a totally different story. But as far as this golf discussion goes, this is not extreme heat.

BO

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Im betting that every other comment from teh announcers, and the players will be about the heat, and its affect, so time will tell.

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One of the TV sports caster passed out in the heat yesterday and was taken to the hospital. He is an ex OU football player no pussy for sure. I promise you it is hot as hell in Oklahoma this week.

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Im betting that every other comment from teh announcers, and the players will be about the heat, and its affect, so time will tell.

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Very well could be, but I doubt you will hear a player saying the heat affected the way he played other than the fact the ball will be flying farther. That's the only point I was trying to make, it doesn't affect the way they compete.

BO

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Im betting that every other comment from teh announcers, and the players will be about the heat, and its affect, so time will tell.

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Very well could be, but I doubt you will hear a player saying the heat affected the way he played other than the fact the ball will be flying farther. That's the only point I was trying to make, it doesn't affect the way they compete.

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Dunno really, i dont think anyone is going to "ease up", but I think they will either take into account that they are probably going to fatigue much easier and change up the game plan if need be, or not, and hurt their game.

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The players in good physical condition should have a clear advantage in this one.

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The THIN players in good physical condition are the ones having a heat advantage.

It's all about surface to weight ratio.

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The THIN players in good physical condition are the ones having a heat advantage.

It's all about surface to weight ratio.

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You are right, but just remebered Michelle Wie getting ill at that mens event some time back, apparently due to drinking too little water, and if anybody has got a surface to weight ratio that is her [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Not drinking enough will cause a lot of bogeys and worse. If anybody get below the level of fluids that they need to play well, they wont be able to compensate during the round and will fall far behind. If you don't start to drink before you get thirsty you're stuffed. But as most players have an eating and drinking plan for the round, I don't think many is going to suffer.

It will probably be worse for the 40+ years players in the field.

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Im betting that every other comment from teh announcers, and the players will be about the heat, and its affect, so time will tell.

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Very well could be, but I doubt you will hear a player saying the heat affected the way he played other than the fact the ball will be flying farther. That's the only point I was trying to make, it doesn't affect the way they compete.

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[/ QUOTE ]BO, you are talking nonsense. For a start you will hear just about every European comment on it. You think Monty will be fine in this weather?

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These guys are professionals.
They've been doing this long enough to know to stay hydrated.

It will keep bad backs looser!
There will be comments from players, only because it'll be a 'hot' topic, and they'll be asked a bunch of questions on it.

But for the vast majority, it's just one more thing to prepare for each day.

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The players in good physical condition should have a clear advantage in this one.

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There isn't a single golfer in the field that the heat will have an effect on. This is simply business as usual.

BO

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Interesting. I'm sure you know more about this than me. You don't think a player like Tim Herron or John Daly or Phil Mickelson is at a disadvantage in the extreme heat?

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please. While Phil obviously isn't in good of shape as some of the players in the field, he's not even close to being where Herron and Daly are.

Phil had actually worked really hard in the '06 offseason and throughout the year to get in better shape and is certainly fitter than he's been in a long time.

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There will be comments from players, only because it'll be a 'hot' topic

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HI-YOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Yeah, you're right though - the media as always is just looking for a story, and the fact that it is really hot is a pretty good one. But these guys aren't in the middle of the goddamn Sahara, they're in the middle of a grassy golf course with unlimited access to liquids, cold towels, etc.

(I mention "grassy" golf course because those are noticeably cooler than the desert ones out here, where the desert floor radiates heat and makes things a lot hotter.)

When I was little tup I lugged my bag around in the middle of summer afternoons in Phoenix, all summer long for golf tournaments. Including the day it got to 122 here in 1990. I like the chances of these guys getting around too. They don't even have to carry their bag!

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I played a round of 9 last week where it was in the low 90s, and pretty humid. My biggest problem was keeping a grip on the shaft, because I was so sweaty. Even my glove was perspiring. Do these guys have several gloves for a round?

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I played a round of 9 last week where it was in the low 90s, and pretty humid. My biggest problem was keeping a grip on the shaft, because I was so sweaty. Even my glove was perspiring. Do these guys have several gloves for a round?

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Most probably do, I see guys all the time at courses around here during the summer with 4 or 5 gloves strapped to the shaft of the front of the cart drying them as they ride.

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BO, you are talking nonsense. For a start you will hear just about every European comment on it. You think Monty will be fine in this weather?

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The PTI guys just interviewed Peter Kostis from Southern Hills. First question was about the hot conditions. Kostis succinctly stated that the players would be unaffected by the heat but the golf course was what he was worried about.

Those thoughts sound sorta familiar.....

In regards to the gloves, every week a tour player will have 6-12 new gloves in his bag.

BO

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BO, you are talking nonsense. For a start you will hear just about every European comment on it. You think Monty will be fine in this weather?

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The PTI guys just interviewed Peter Kostis from Southern Hills. First question was about the hot conditions. Kostis succinctly stated that the players would be unaffected by the heat but the golf course was what he was worried about.

Those thoughts sound sorta familiar.....



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Someone told me that the National Weather Service put out a heat advisory for Tulsa from Monday to Sunday at 6:00pm. I thought that was funny that they covered the exact time that the PGA was in town.

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A high of 100 degrees with dew points in the 70s is not extreme heat!? What planet do you live on?

Ya, I thought his comment was pretty nuts, this is the hottest and stickiest it has been in the midwest in a long time. It will be a factor, enough so that meteorologists are reccomending nto to go out for too long this week here in st. louis. 115 heat or something like that here in stl.

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Well, you gotta remember, I played in this kind of heat constantly for 15 years through college and pro golf carrying my own bag most of the time. I never had a day where the heat got the best of me or affected my play in any way. This includes temperatures of close to 110.

Sure it's hot, no question there. But it's not going to effect the players at the PGA one iota on the course. Therefore, I don't consider it extreme heat, at least for the golfers. For the elderly and/or general public with little or no A/C it's a totally different story. But as far as this golf discussion goes, this is not extreme heat.

BO

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Just saw this thread...and these comments are ridiculous. The heat will affect the players and it will affect the players out of shape (and older) the most. To think otherwise is ludicrous.

I too played junior and college golf playing in this heat. I remember once playing 18 one day and finding out it was 107 when I got in, and 127 heat index. That was 20 years ago. I'd die now getting my bag out of my car.

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These guys are professionals.
They've been doing this long enough to know to stay hydrated.

It will keep bad backs looser!
There will be comments from players, only because it'll be a 'hot' topic, and they'll be asked a bunch of questions on it.

But for the vast majority, it's just one more thing to prepare for each day.

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That's true, but it is an impact and impacts different people differently. No doubt that heavier and older people are affected the most, as well as some of the Europeans who don't play in this weather regularly. Anyone see Fasth stand in front of that water spraying fan for five minutes yesterday? Think the heat didn't affect him blowing up to a 79 today?

Some might even say that the heat affects some men's ability to check his scorecard adequately. :-)

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Daly is in his 40's and bad overweight...
I'd bet money Boo had a 6 pack with his dinner last night...
Darren Clarke is 40ish and overweight...(66)

I'm not disagreeing that fitter players have an advantage, just that it isn't usually a deciding factor.
All of these guys have played tons of rounds in extreme heat.
They can handle it.

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Just saw this thread...and these comments are ridiculous. The heat will affect the players and it will affect the players out of shape (and older) the most. To think otherwise is ludicrous.

I too played junior and college golf playing in this heat. I remember once playing 18 one day and finding out it was 107 when I got in, and 127 heat index. That was 20 years ago. I'd die now getting my bag out of my car.

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And perhaps that's a reason why you never made it any farther. JTrout probably said it better and more PC than I can. But I so love it when the ignorant disparage the remarks of those who have been there.

Did anybody quit today? Did anybody blame their poor play on the heat? Yeah, I'm real ludicrous.

UNDERSTAND THIS PEOPLE. THE HEAT IS NOT GOING TO BE ANY FACTOR AT ALL IN THE TOURNAMENT.

BO

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I'd say the guys who are most affected by the heat are the ones who like to practice the most in between rounds.

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Just saw this thread...and these comments are ridiculous. The heat will affect the players and it will affect the players out of shape (and older) the most. To think otherwise is ludicrous.

I too played junior and college golf playing in this heat. I remember once playing 18 one day and finding out it was 107 when I got in, and 127 heat index. That was 20 years ago. I'd die now getting my bag out of my car.

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And perhaps that's a reason why you never made it any farther. JTrout probably said it better and more PC than I can. But I so love it when the ignorant disparage the remarks of those who have been there.

Did anybody quit today? Did anybody blame their poor play on the heat? Yeah, I'm real ludicrous.

UNDERSTAND THIS PEOPLE. THE HEAT IS NOT GOING TO BE ANY FACTOR AT ALL IN THE TOURNAMENT.

BO

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Like I said, comments like that are ridiculous. Fitter golfers will handle the heat better. You use Daly as an example, but Daly shot 73-73 the last two days. How do you know the heat hasn't worn him down? I'm far from ignorant and have played quite a bit of tournament golf. It is a factor. How much it is depends on the player.