So I capped AQo pf, and 3 bet the flop with overs...
 

Live 6/12

Button in this hand is a moron, and I'm extremely happy to sit at his table. I've played with him a lot. His extremely bad play isn't consistent though. Tonight he seems to have decided to raise and reraise any ace, any king, a lot of queens, and most pairs preflop, and to raise a lot of flops multiway without pairs or draws.

CO is your stereotypical weak-tight old asian woman. She lays down hands based on their strength, and the action to her, and not on the pot size.

BB is a classic overdefender, and is on tilt at the moment.

UTG is sort of a decent player. Def above average for this game

A semi-tight player limps, I raise. Coldcalled by the CO. Button makes it 3. SB folds. BB calls, UTG calls. I cap. All call.

Flop J99 rainbow. checked to me. I bet. CO calls, button raises, BB and UTG fold. I make it 3 almost instantly...

Re: So I capped AQo pf, and 3 bet the flop with overs...
 

I think it is better to leave the maniac in the betting lead, so I would not cap preflop, even though you probobably have a small equity edge.

I don't really like postflop. After capping preflop he needs to be pretty retarded to make 3-betting right.

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Is the button capable of laying down here or on the turn? If so I like the plan. If this is one of those maniacs that calls down and shows his crap hands I'm not so fond. If CO is holding a worse Ace you want her with you. If she's got a pocket pair or straight draw in hand you want her out (and J or 9 obviously, but those are less likely to go away). If you're not sure what she's playing here the safe move is to force her out. If the flop 3-bet won't move her I'd call the flop raise planning on raising the turn.

Bottom line: If you're taking a stab at the maniac with Ace high, you NEED to get it heads up or you're just spewing chips. The weak-tight player is the absolute WORST person to have trailing along here.

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I don't really like postflop. After capping preflop he needs to be pretty retarded to make 3-betting right.


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trust me. he is.
My 3 bet was:
1. For value against button's range
2. To push out the mega weaktight CO old asian lady

edit: one thing to note is that I have a lot of value against the button's range. First of all, I think he's often on a draw, or has one or two overcards to the board, but he will also absolutely play an underpair like this. I've seen it, and he's a dumb bastard like that. A jack on the turn will kill his hand if it's eights or worse.

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to the guy that said that we want CO in if she has a worse ace: wow, you are WRONG. The pot is huge. it's TEN bb on the flop, and by the time the action comes back to me, we're looking at a 12 bb pot. Folding out a worse ace would be NICE here because she has odds to chase her 3 outer.

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based solely on the reads provided, nh so far.

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CO folds. Button calls. Turn comes off an 8. I bet and get called. River is a Q. for a final board of J998Q no flush possible

results in white <font color="white"> I bet and get called by K6 of spades (NO PAIR AND NO DRAW SHIP SHIP SHIP SHIP) </font>

edit: more results in white <font color="white"> CO was rly mad after the hand that I pushed her out because she had me beaten</font>

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and that is why we play live [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] nh sir

Re: So I capped AQo pf, and 3 bet the flop with overs...
 

given reads this seems standard, but i'm a spew monkey.

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3-betting this flop is nice because you push CO off all kinds of stuff. I just call if she's not there.

I don't know if I cap preflop, but it's no big deal.

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nh

Just to be a nit, I want to point out that folding a weaker A is huge in this big pot. With a paired board, a weak A also has 3 chop outs here. And will pick up even more chop outs on any non Q turn. Heck, if a K hits the turn I think she'll have 10 outs to a chop, in addition to 3 for a win.

Re: So I capped AQo pf, and 3 bet the flop with overs...
 

if you don't bet, you can't induce a bluffraise.

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slightly veiled brag post...nh [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: So I capped AQo pf, and 3 bet the flop with overs...
 

You never told us what the villian had, or did I miss it somehow? Just curious.

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left click over white area in his results post...

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capping preflop is extremely [censored] stupid.

this play, however, is eclipsed by the galactically retarded bet/3bet you employed on the flop.

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capping preflop is extremely [censored] stupid.

this play, however, is eclipsed by the galactically retarded bet/3bet you employed on the flop.

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i disagree mr. pokerbob. i think the flop 3bet is fine based on button's retarded-ass read.

i looked back at the preflop play, and must say i am firmly disappointed. initially i thought the pot was 3 handed or HU or something.

best wishes and good luck and take care,

James

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capping preflop is extremely [censored] stupid.

this play, however, is eclipsed by the galactically retarded bet/3bet you employed on the flop.

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i disagree mr. pokerbob. i think the flop 3bet is fine based on button's retarded-ass read.

i looked back at the preflop play, and must say i am firmly disappointed. initially i thought the pot was 3 handed or HU or something.

best wishes and good luck and take care,

James

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button is not the problem, CO is. we want him gone, so we can be hu with the moron. given the size of the pot and the fact that CO already called 1 bet on the flop, it stands to reason that he will call 2 more cold back to him (he obviously didn't in this case so it worked out, but I still think it's wrong to 3bet this flop). the best way to rid ourselves of CO is to call the flop raise and then c/r the turn. that will REALLY put pressure on CO.

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mr. pokerbob,

that sounds pretty expensive. also the turn checks through some appreciable amount of the time when button gets called in two spots on the flop by two reasonably tight players. are you calling a 3bet? that makes things even worse, and even moreso when you consider the fact he's capable of doing it with a worse hand or a hand we have outs against. this doesn't even include the times CO or button show up with a real hand here, either.

just some thoughts. either way i hate the spot we're in as a result of the multiway pf cap.

best wishes and good luck and take care,

James

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mr. pokerbob,

that sounds pretty expensive. also the turn checks through some appreciable amount of the time when button gets called in two spots on the flop by two reasonably tight players. are you calling a 3bet? that makes things even worse, and even moreso when you consider the fact he's capable of doing it with a worse hand or a hand we have outs against. this doesn't even include the times CO or button show up with a real hand here, either.

just some thoughts. either way i hate the spot we're in as a result of the multiway pf cap.

best wishes and good luck and take care,

James

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it is expensive, and it's dumb. that said, it's likely the best way to get CO to fold. fwiw i think the whole hand is played poorly.

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also the turn checks through some appreciable amount of the time when button gets called in two spots on the flop by two reasonably tight players.

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That's actually part of the reason I bet the flop. I pretty much expected an autoraise from most of button's range, but a check behind from a lot of it too. He likes to play back at me because he personally dislikes me, and it's his way of expressing it.

However, he will check behind a lot too. He's the kind of player that LRRs with trash because he's mad there is a raise to him.

I'm far from certain I played this hand well, so I'm not trying to pull a Barron Vangor Toth in this thread.

I thought my PF cap was iffy, but far from terrible. I mean, UTG is playing 100% of his limping range like this, BB is playing 90% of his hands like this, and we already discussed button. CO is the only player in this hand I have cause for concern about. All in all, I like my PF equity. Are you sure capping PF is wrong? If so, is it because it ties us to the pot with only a slight equity advantage, or because you think we do not have an equity advantage?

edit: what do you think of leading the flop? My thoughts were "omfg the pot is so big gotta lead here b/c there is a pair on board looks like there's an above average chance people missed flop, and the Q in my hand slightly decreases the chances I'm gonna run into an OESD"

super edit: AFAIK I haven't played overcards this aggressively in that game anytime in the last 2 months, so this is really very far from standard for me. It's not like I did this 20 other times and decided to post the only time it worked. I'm generally very unspewtarded.

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That's actually part of the reason I bet the flop. I pretty much expected an autoraise from most of button's range, but a check behind from a lot of it too.

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if this is true, then betting the flop makes absolutely no sense.

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That's actually part of the reason I bet the flop. I pretty much expected an autoraise from most of button's range, but a check behind from a lot of it too.


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if this is true, then betting the flop makes absolutely no sense.



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I want his raise to knock out people with underpairs or lone overcards (K7, Q6, A5 etc) or backdoor flush draws. You realize the pot is 10bb going into the flop, right?