I always feel compelled to call here.......
 

Hero raises to 3x BB with 2s-9s then some donktard who's running at like 50/40 and pushing every 4th hand thats raised, raises all in for 40+ BBs.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $66.40
BB: $85.30
Hero (UTG): $41.20
MP: $28.50
CO: $53.95
BTN: $55.85

CO posts $0.50
Preflop: Hero is dealt 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, <font color="red">MP raises all-in to $28.50</font>, Hero?

I feel like i make the call here far too often......

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If he is pushing every 4th hand call here. If he is pushing every 7th or 8th hand, fold. Your hand does well against the top 25% but poorly against the top 12.5% of hands.

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I usually fold these thinking that I will get a better chance to stack him later on if he pushes as much as you said. Patience.

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I usually fold these thinking that I will get a better chance to stack him later on if he pushes as much as you said. Patience.

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I love what you said here. Every player should read this over and over until it is sketched in their brain. Great post there.

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I usually fold these thinking that I will get a better chance to stack him later on if he pushes as much as you said. Patience.

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I love what you said here. Every player should read this over and over until it is sketched in their brain. Great post there.

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Really, I very much don't.
I insta call this all day long

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Why arent you fullstacked?

I think calling is marginal. If he does that every 4th hand i'm calling this from time to time, depending on my mood.

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Really, I very much don't.
I insta call this all day long

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I insta fold this all day long. Can you explain to me why you are calling this?

edit: I fold for this reason. Just because some guy is 50/40 and pushing every 4th hand doesn't mean you need to start calling his all-ins with marginal holdings

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Really, I very much don't.
I insta call this all day long

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I insta fold this all day long. Can you explain to me why you are calling this?

edit: I fold for this reason. Just because some guy is 50/40 and pushing every 4th hand doesn't mean you need to start calling his all-ins with marginal holdings

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I call this all day long becomes I think it is +ev to call thats why
Lets say you are up against the top 20% of hands. Why did I pick this well because I think this is a reasonable range for someone who pushes every 4 hands

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

446,911,344 games 0.005 secs 89,382,268,800 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 48.810% 48.40% 00.41% 216287506 1851198.00 { 66+, A4s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 1: 51.190% 50.78% 00.41% 226921442 1851198.00 { 8c8s }

So we are ahead, marginal yeah but it is still +ev and that is all that matter

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cooker i think taking coinflips is not the way to go in cashgames imo. Therefore i think both ways are fine. Neither instacalling nor instafolding is right.

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cooker i think taking coinflips is not the way to go in cashgames imo. Therefore i think both ways are fine. Neither instacalling nor instafolding is right.

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If it's the best play then it is. I don't go around looking for coin flips in cash games like I would if I was playing a tournament but if presented to me in a situation like this then I will take it.

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Why arent you fullstacked?


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for the past 22K hands or so i've been buying in short, and my ptbb/100 has went UP from around 6.5/100 to 11.2/100. Not to say that I ALWAYS buy in short now, as it really depends on the table, but i'd say to start I'll buy short about 60-75% of the time.

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You are afraid to play big pots?
I bought in short because i was afraid to lose too much money.

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no, i just find when i play 5 or 6 tables it makes my decisions much easier. there have been plenty of times that i'll turn 20 into 120+, but that doesn't mean i'm just getting up and leaving the table, especially if there's a couple of donks at the table who are just spewing chips. If i sit down and there is somebody like in the above example, then yes, i'll buy in full so i can get full value out of stacking them. The hand above just so happened to be like the 4th hand at the table.

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cooker i think taking coinflips is not the way to go in cashgames imo. Therefore i think both ways are fine. Neither instacalling nor instafolding is right.

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How is this a coinflip? Did you not read the OP? You don´t think hands like 55 and A2 are in villains range? I think 88 does very well against a guy who pushes every fourth hand.

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Really, I very much don't.
I insta call this all day long

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I insta fold this all day long. Can you explain to me why you are calling this?

edit: I fold for this reason. Just because some guy is 50/40 and pushing every 4th hand doesn't mean you need to start calling his all-ins with marginal holdings

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I call this all day long becomes I think it is +ev to call thats why
Lets say you are up against the top 20% of hands. Why did I pick this well because I think this is a reasonable range for someone who pushes every 4 hands

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

446,911,344 games 0.005 secs 89,382,268,800 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 48.810% 48.40% 00.41% 216287506 1851198.00 { 66+, A4s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 1: 51.190% 50.78% 00.41% 226921442 1851198.00 { 8c8s }

So we are ahead, marginal yeah but it is still +ev and that is all that matter

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I very much doubt that villain pushes top 20%. I think villain wouldn´t know what hands could reasonably be top 20%. I think the selection is much more random.

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every 4th hand? snap call

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every 4th hand? snap call

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What's your calling range here? are you making this call with any pair or medium+?

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probably sevens+ at+

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to some of the other posters: it's not really about taking coinflips in cash games, it's whether or not you can be confident enough in your read and ranges to make this anything more than a marginal call.

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if he shoves every 4 hands, this cant be anything but +ev call

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Really, I very much don't.
I insta call this all day long

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I insta fold this all day long. Can you explain to me why you are calling this?

edit: I fold for this reason. Just because some guy is 50/40 and pushing every 4th hand doesn't mean you need to start calling his all-ins with marginal holdings

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I call this all day long becomes I think it is +ev to call thats why
Lets say you are up against the top 20% of hands. Why did I pick this well because I think this is a reasonable range for someone who pushes every 4 hands

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

446,911,344 games 0.005 secs 89,382,268,800 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 48.810% 48.40% 00.41% 216287506 1851198.00 { 66+, A4s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 1: 51.190% 50.78% 00.41% 226921442 1851198.00 { 8c8s }

So we are ahead, marginal yeah but it is still +ev and that is all that matter

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I very much doubt that villain pushes top 20%. I think villain wouldn´t know what hands could reasonably be top 20%. I think the selection is much more random.

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I agree it is probably much more random, just using 20% as guide, if we are good enough against top 20% of hands then definately think we are good enough against this guy

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is he pushing every fourth hand over the last 12 hands, or is he pushing every fourth hand over the last 40 hands, i think there's a big difference. calling this is definitely a high variance play, i probably wait for a better spot... probably [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Oh man, I snap call this against a lag tard. Even more so if villain has pushing a lot

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is he pushing every fourth hand over the last 12 hands, or is he pushing every fourth hand over the last 40 hands, i think there's a big difference. calling this is definitely a high variance play, i probably wait for a better spot... probably [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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In this type of situation, rarely do i see this last for 40 hands, the donk always gets stacked before it gets to that point....

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Oh man, I snap call this against a lag tard. Even more so if villain has pushing a lot

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"Lagtard."
I love it.
Neologism of the week.

I fold and wait for a better hand to bust him with.

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call?

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If he's lterally shoving as much as you say, I call here all day, especially since he only has a little over 50BBs.

This guy is just asking to give his money away, I take the opportunity before someone else at the table does and he leaves. If he has one of the 6 starting hands we fear, then its no biggy, shrug and reload and let him continue to play badly with a full stack.

Those saying fold sound like they are underolled, or are afraid of variance. To hell with variance, if a call is +EV I'm making it.

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It would be nice to know how many hands OP had observed before coming to the conclusion that he pushes every 4th hand. To me it is in practice rarther difficult to tell this exactly and that's one reason which makes me favor folding here.

Another reason is that if I call and loose I some times start tilting and try to get even with this guy. This is of course a weakness in my game.

In general I feel I'm not giving much up here by folding.

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Call if you can handle variance. You are slightly ahead but you are in for a pretty bumpy ride.

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i think 88's is alittle too weak, just let it go an get him with better equity vs his range a few hands later.