Need Some Actual Advice Here
 

I will preface this by saying that I am not a minor, but can't buy lottery tickets (get it?.) It all started in October of 2006. I was finally allowed by my parents to deposit $20 onto Ultimate Bet. I was really stupid and naive having never played games other than freerolls online prior to this. I jumped to .50/1.00 (LOL-with $33!) I made $40 or so in like 5 minutes. But obv. managed to lose it just as quick. I am very emotional and upon losing my money I began crying privately (very childish I know) and became very upset. This was mainly because I viewed it as my only shot at playing with real $$ online...

As apprehensive as my Dad was, he let me put another $20 on a few days later after I explained that I did not understand the concept of bankroll management to him. I played SnGs, $1 Tourneys-you name it, nothing panned out. After a week my HIGH point was $33 1 tabling .25/.50 limit. I lost that in a few days, however.

By this time I was getting noticeably upset and my parents said that this was the reason why they did not want me to play, but I was permitted to play freerolls and what not. I ran $1 to $50 a few times but never got further than that. A month or so later I was allowed to deposit $20 again but I of course lost that as well. I have a vivid memory of using my last $10 in a HU and losing to a 1-outer, I slammed the ground and was yelling/whining in the middle of the night and woke my parents up. They said no more...

...Christmas day, a month and a half since my last deposit if I remember correctly. I asked my Dad if I could deposit and I thought he said yes, so I did, but it turned out he never said yes that day. Regardless I ran through that in 2 days. Crying basically the whole time I was playing. No deposits for me in the near future! I played freerolls and did well, but obv payouts are terrible...I was finally allowed at the end of Februrary to deposit (the minimum was now $50) again. I peaked at maybe $80 playing mainly low level SnGs. I lost that...

The next time I deposited was actually a stupid scam by me. I used $100 of birthday money to deposit though they thought I used it for something else. I played only $5 SnGs this time reaching a peak level of $336. Slowly but surely it dwindled away. I was at $175 after running horribly and in amidst my rage I decided to withdraw that $175, I did but told them to cancel it later that day. I had $225 a week later or so, and withdrew (for the first time ever) $75. My last $150 went quick as I mainly tilted it off in higher level HU SnGs than I couldnt afford. So I pocketed $75 from $100 that was $300 and change at one point...

This was all extremely upsetting becaue as a young kid I had visions of getting rich quick and helping my family out (my Dad was layed off for two years and we are still experiencing financial problems because of it.) This is what upset me most. I felt like I left my family down, but they do not know this.

Enter UBs cashier center. 6 weeks later it turns out the batch of checks mine was in had been botched up. I was eventually given $20 free because of the extreme delay from UB. My Dad had still said no poker but figured I might as well use the $20 because it was doing no good sitting in there. I played $1 SnGs with that money and went from $20 to $26 to $13 and a week later after many tantrums I was down to $5. I played a HU match for $5 and had $10 to work off of. I teeter tottered around $10-30 for a week or so. Once I had it going (I thought) at $58 I dropped down to $15 or so. Then I worked my way back up and eclipsed $100 then $200. I took out $50 once I reached $210 and took out $50 once more once hitting $210. I went nowhere for awhile with SnGs so once I was down to $45 I played some cash games which I had previously been horrible at. I somehow did well and ran my roll up to $100 or so in a few days playing $10 NL. Then I won a tourney for $150. My roll was $233. I took out $125 and built the rest up to $365 through tourneys and cash games. I moved up to 25NL for a few sessions and ran horribly. I ran in circles for a few days. Then I lost $125 and thougt the world was over. Down to $200 I played a $100 HU SnG...and lost. I then had $110. I deposited $20 to activate an Epassporte account and had $131 today. After various beats in tourneys and SnGs today I am now at $52...

Here are my serious questions:

I have $52, do I withdraw that and just take a break till I get $60 for rakeback in 2 weeks?

Do I quit forever because I can not handle it?

Play 10NL with $5 BIs like I had done previously?

Withdraw the money and rakeback money and get new video game system instead of Poker?

One last thing. I have nothing to do besides tennis, house work and a job 1 or 2 days a week (which is boring as hell.) I do not like hanging out with the kids I do AT school OUTSIDE of school because I do not like drugs/alcohol because again I would feel like I let my parents down. Keep my boredom in mind, because that is what helped lead me to my current state.

Thanks all...

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Stop playing, get a full time job doing something somewhat enjoyable, and start drinking (and try some other stuff while you're at it). Poker is causing you nothing but grief and you need to stop ASAP or you will destroy yourself eventually. Come on back when you finish college and secure yourself a good job, as well an build a stronger character for yourself [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Yawn...
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Down to $200 I played a $100 HU SnG

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Wait until you're old enough to the play the lottery. Until then...

Given that 80% of your posts are in BBV...take your $52 and buy three books. Any three, I don't care. Books on tournament play, books on poker theory, Harry Potter books, the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Just get away from your slot-machine style for a while.

Take your future $60 rakeback and cash that out too. I'm not sure what hi-speed video game system you're picking up for $112 but maybe go with more books instead.

Go work on your tennis game, clean your f'ing room, help mom with the dishes, find some new friends, etc.

Or...reread the HIV classics and prep for a Busto v2.3 that makes his pale in comparision. Either way, best of luck to ya.

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Stop killing and eating people, ldo.

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You possess almost every trait of an degenerate gambler.

http://www.gamblersanonymous.org/

You can't play poker anymore. Sorry! Just be glad it only cost you 100 dollars to find out.

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I will preface this by saying that I am not a minor, but can't buy lottery tickets (get it?.) It all started in October of 2006. I was finally allowed by my parents to deposit $20 onto Ultimate Bet. I was really stupid and naive having never played games other than freerolls online prior to this. I jumped to .50/1.00 (LOL-with $33!) I made $40 or so in like 5 minutes. But obv. managed to lose it just as quick. I am very emotional and upon losing my money I began crying privately (very childish I know) and became very upset. This was mainly because I viewed it as my only shot at playing with real $$ online...

As apprehensive as my Dad was, he let me put another $20 on a few days later after I explained that I did not understand the concept of bankroll management to him. I played SnGs, $1 Tourneys-you name it, nothing panned out. After a week my HIGH point was $33 1 tabling .25/.50 limit. I lost that in a few days, however.

By this time I was getting noticeably upset and my parents said that this was the reason why they did not want me to play, but I was permitted to play freerolls and what not. I ran $1 to $50 a few times but never got further than that. A month or so later I was allowed to deposit $20 again but I of course lost that as well. I have a vivid memory of using my last $10 in a HU and losing to a 1-outer, I slammed the ground and was yelling/whining in the middle of the night and woke my parents up. They said no more...

...Christmas day, a month and a half since my last deposit if I remember correctly. I asked my Dad if I could deposit and I thought he said yes, so I did, but it turned out he never said yes that day. Regardless I ran through that in 2 days. Crying basically the whole time I was playing. No deposits for me in the near future! I played freerolls and did well, but obv payouts are terrible...I was finally allowed at the end of Februrary to deposit (the minimum was now $50) again. I peaked at maybe $80 playing mainly low level SnGs. I lost that...

The next time I deposited was actually a stupid scam by me. I used $100 of birthday money to deposit though they thought I used it for something else. I played only $5 SnGs this time reaching a peak level of $336. Slowly but surely it dwindled away. I was at $175 after running horribly and in amidst my rage I decided to withdraw that $175, I did but told them to cancel it later that day. I had $225 a week later or so, and withdrew (for the first time ever) $75. My last $150 went quick as I mainly tilted it off in higher level HU SnGs than I couldnt afford. So I pocketed $75 from $100 that was $300 and change at one point...

This was all extremely upsetting becaue as a young kid I had visions of getting rich quick and helping my family out (my Dad was layed off for two years and we are still experiencing financial problems because of it.) This is what upset me most. I felt like I left my family down, but they do not know this.

Enter UBs cashier center. 6 weeks later it turns out the batch of checks mine was in had been botched up. I was eventually given $20 free because of the extreme delay from UB. My Dad had still said no poker but figured I might as well use the $20 because it was doing no good sitting in there. I played $1 SnGs with that money and went from $20 to $26 to $13 and a week later after many tantrums I was down to $5. I played a HU match for $5 and had $10 to work off of. I teeter tottered around $10-30 for a week or so. Once I had it going (I thought) at $58 I dropped down to $15 or so. Then I worked my way back up and eclipsed $100 then $200. I took out $50 once I reached $210 and took out $50 once more once hitting $210. I went nowhere for awhile with SnGs so once I was down to $45 I played some cash games which I had previously been horrible at. I somehow did well and ran my roll up to $100 or so in a few days playing $10 NL. Then I won a tourney for $150. My roll was $233. I took out $125 and built the rest up to $365 through tourneys and cash games. I moved up to 25NL for a few sessions and ran horribly. I ran in circles for a few days. Then I lost $125 and thougt the world was over. Down to $200 I played a $100 HU SnG...and lost. I then had $110. I deposited $20 to activate an Epassporte account and had $131 today. After various beats in tourneys and SnGs today I am now at $52...

Here are my serious questions:

I have $52, do I withdraw that and just take a break till I get $60 for rakeback in 2 weeks?

Do I quit forever because I can not handle it?

Play 10NL with $5 BIs like I had done previously?

Withdraw the money and rakeback money and get new video game system instead of Poker?

One last thing. I have nothing to do besides tennis, house work and a job 1 or 2 days a week (which is boring as hell.) I do not like hanging out with the kids I do AT school OUTSIDE of school because I do not like drugs/alcohol because again I would feel like I let my parents down. Keep my boredom in mind, because that is what helped lead me to my current state.

Thanks all...

[/ QUOTE ] You have an emotional bankroll. I feel what you are trying to do with helping your family, but the emotion tied to your bankroll is no good. You also try to nickle and dime it way to hard, which is what a lot of people do including me, but the bankroll doesn't seem to be there for what you want to play. I'd say give the SNG a rest and work with the .25/50 NL or lower and just try to grind it out. However, it takes a minute to get rolled for that. Stop using b-day money for gambling on internet. Go buy yourself some nice clothes, weed, and a bottle of liquor and go get some ass. I was happy to win a grand on my bday from poker and didn't take out one dime b/c I need to build up this roll and nickle and diming it here and there ain't worth it. I agree you should also get a job too help your family out. They won't complain about you playing poker too if you are getting honest money.

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RELAX BRO!!! Its not the end of the world. Seriously, read some poker books w/the money. Save your money from your job for the summer. Maybe set aside a little bit each check. Wait to you have a workable bankroll. Only then deposit and FOLLLOW BR MGMNT.

The swings not including playing too big sounds like you still have some learning to do. As do most of us. Study, study, study if poker is that intriging to you.

Anyway. GL man! Don't put so much pressure on yourself.

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Guys, I have read books and have what I think is a tight grasp on the game. Today I busted in tourneys (big ones) with 20 left by losing 4 coinflips, 3 in a row on 1 and 1 in the other. I played some SnGs today and made $50 after all tourney and BI fees. I am at $101. If I keep playing relaxed and have SOME things go my way I should be back up in no time. It's not my game itself that needs work, it is my BR management. Thanks for all the replies.

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For those claiming that alcohol/drugs are the solution, did you miss where I said I don't wanna get involved in that stuff? Everyone at school does it, but it would be terrible for me with my addctive personality and I would feel guilty. Kids at my school actually got me into poker after a few home games. They lost interest as mine grew, they would rather do drugs than play poker or anything. ANYTHING they do involves drinking/smoking at some point...Sad, really.

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you are having a go at the "druggies and alcoholics" but you openly admit you have an addictive personality.

You continuously go bust by playing like a fool or above your bankroll.

You really need to look at yourself, you could find yourself blowing away all your money and ending up with an addiction.
I highlight this by "They would rather do drugs than play poker". I used to do a lot of drugs at school and it was a social thing that me and my friends went through, yet they are socialising and you are sitting in front of a computer.

It seems you could easily wake up with a problem and looking at the guys who were druggies who grew out of the phase and made something of their lives.

Give poker a 2 month break and get out and socialise.

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you are having a go at the "druggies and alcoholics" but you openly admit you have an addictive personality.

You continuously go bust by playing like a fool or above your bankroll.

You really need to look at yourself, you could find yourself blowing away all your money and ending up with an addiction.
I highlight this by "They would rather do drugs than play poker". I used to do a lot of drugs at school and it was a social thing that me and my friends went through, yet they are socialising and you are sitting in front of a computer.

It seems you could easily wake up with a problem and looking at the guys who were druggies who grew out of the phase and made something of their lives.

Give poker a 2 month break and get out and socialise.

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You would be a horrible psychologist.

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you are having a go at the "druggies and alcoholics" but you openly admit you have an addictive personality.

You continuously go bust by playing like a fool or above your bankroll.

You really need to look at yourself, you could find yourself blowing away all your money and ending up with an addiction.
I highlight this by "They would rather do drugs than play poker". I used to do a lot of drugs at school and it was a social thing that me and my friends went through, yet they are socialising and you are sitting in front of a computer.

It seems you could easily wake up with a problem and looking at the guys who were druggies who grew out of the phase and made something of their lives.

Give poker a 2 month break and get out and socialise.

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You would be a horrible psychologist.

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You would be a horrible poker player. Crying because you lost a hand? Cmon.

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I was going to reply to this kids post, but I can't stop looking at that ass.

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apparently no one else thinks this is a level. in that case, i dont either...

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keep playing, but learn to control and discipline urself. No way of winning without bankroll management. U leave to much to luck.
Just curiosity, how old r u?

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Play play chips until you can beat them.
This will take time. During this time read books and strategy posts on the relevant forum of the type of poker you play. When you can eventually win at play chips (and this will take more than 6 months), you try the lowest limit available ($2, $5 or $10 tables depending where you play). Only when you can win 20 buy-ins can you move up a limit. Then if you lose and have less than 15 at a current level, you move down and rebuild).

Do you notice that there is a method and a plan here? It's not just a simple naive: "put money in. play"



Also, it looks like you are just trying to "luck out". And this is the wrong way to look at it because for every dollar you win from good luck, you lose the same dollar later on to bad luck.

Poker is actually a game of skill and knowledge. If you don't understand some of the major fundamental concepts (and I'm sure you know of almost none of them [there are much more than you can even comprehend right now]), then you will not be a winning player. And you don't learn just by playing as much as you learn by reading and discussing it on a forum with other people.

You need to learn the game. It took me about 40 hours a week for 1.5 years as well as having a pro to coach me before I could make a consist living off it. Just putting in $50 and hoping for the best is idiotic. Do you see why?



Are you getting my message at all? It's a game of skill more than luck. Do some god damn learning and don't rely on luck.

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I was going to reply to this kids post, but I can't stop looking at that ass.

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Holy mother of god. That is <font color="red">HAAAAAWT!</font>

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Play play chips until you can beat them.
This will take time. During this time read books and strategy posts on the relevant forum of the type of poker you play. When you can eventually win at play chips (and this will take more than 6 months), you try the lowest limit available ($2, $5 or $10 tables depending where you play). Only when you can win 20 buy-ins can you move up a limit. Then if you lose and have less than 15 at a current level, you move down and rebuild).

Do you notice that there is a method and a plan here? It's not just a simple naive: "put money in. play"



Also, it looks like you are just trying to "luck out". And this is the wrong way to look at it because for every dollar you win from good luck, you lose the same dollar later on to bad luck.

Poker is actually a game of skill and knowledge. If you don't understand some of the major fundamental concepts (and I'm sure you know of almost none of them [there are much more than you can even comprehend right now]), then you will not be a winning player. And you don't learn just by playing as much as you learn by reading and discussing it on a forum with other people.

You need to learn the game. It took me about 40 hours a week for 1.5 years as well as having a pro to coach me before I could make a consist living off it. Just putting in $50 and hoping for the best is idiotic. Do you see why?



Are you getting my message at all? It's a game of skill more than luck. Do some god damn learning and don't rely on luck.

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I understand poker more than you ever will. I have a tight grasp on the game, not BR management. I built my BR to $700 from $10 in a few months, twice. I know what I am doing. Also, play chips teach you nothing but bad play, idiot.

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If the emotional swings bother you I'd recommend sticking to SNGs at a limit appropriate to your bankroll. Not that they can't be frustrating too, but the overall variance is low (again, assuming you play at a level where you have twenty buyins in your BR) and losing a SNG is a lot less emotionally draining than playing for three hours in a MTT and then getting sucked out on on the bubble.

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Hey, don't get defensive.

You already admitted to yourself that you have a problem, and you are looking at some way of fixing it. This is good.

If you realize that you have an addictive personality (I do to), then you can control it.

There is a fine line between passion and addiction (addicts lose).

Take a breather for a week or two, reread up on the fundamentals, and then take another week break.

It sounds like you want to make it big quit (building a bankroll to $700 from $10 in a few months). You'll go busto every time if you try to do that (98% of the time).

Poker is a HARD game. And I'm not talking about strategy and skill. The hardest part of poker is patience, and bankroll management in order to grind it out to the higher levels while keeping yourself from moving up in order for your bankroll to absorb variance.

play the lowest limits you can. get confident at it. Only move up once you have 20 buy-ins for NL or 300X the BB for limit. Don't be afraid to move back down if you hit some bad cards and you lose a bit of your bankroll. It does not make you a failure.

But most importantly. Poker will not be able to support you or your family in the short run. Finish school. Go to college if you can. Get an education and a full-time job. Only take shots at poker with money that you can afford to lose. If you wouldn't walk into the ghetto or bar parking lot holding it in your hand, don't play with it.

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Hey, don't get defensive.

You already admitted to yourself that you have a problem, and you are looking at some way of fixing it. This is good.

If you realize that you have an addictive personality (I do to), then you can control it.

There is a fine line between passion and addiction (addicts lose).

Take a breather for a week or two, reread up on the fundamentals, and then take another week break.

It sounds like you want to make it big quit (building a bankroll to $700 from $10 in a few months). You'll go busto every time if you try to do that (98% of the time).

Poker is a HARD game. And I'm not talking about strategy and skill. The hardest part of poker is patience, and bankroll management in order to grind it out to the higher levels while keeping yourself from moving up in order for your bankroll to absorb variance.

play the lowest limits you can. get confident at it. Only move up once you have 20 buy-ins for NL or 300X the BB for limit. Don't be afraid to move back down if you hit some bad cards and you lose a bit of your bankroll. It does not make you a failure.

But most importantly. Poker will not be able to support you or your family in the short run. Finish school. Go to college if you can. Get an education and a full-time job. Only take shots at poker with money that you can afford to lose. If you wouldn't walk into the ghetto or bar parking lot holding it in your hand, don't play with it.

[/ QUOTE ] By far this is the best forum to post your feelings and get good advice despite the fact that I shouldn't be here right now b/c I should be on a mini vacation from poker. That didn't last to long. Is it possible to grind up money from $20 bucks? Yes. Have I done it? Yes. However, its not mean't for everybody to do? No. I also tried it like yourself with SNGs and I did it. However, I BOMBED a bankroll and I was pissed. Blamed it on the site I play at. I took a break as I usually do and did some type of exercising and I picked up CASH GAME play instead of SNG. Start at a comfortable level. And Im not talking about starting at a high level to make a lot of cash and be underrolled for the players that can see you buying in for minimum all the time. You'll just bust out again. Start at something comfortable where you can practice new techniques and apply book concepts. You than move up slowly. If you are playing NL and like that make sure you are rolled for 1,000-2,000 times the BB. Can you take shots at bigger limits, yes, but watch what you do. To be honest Im rolled for 1/2NL and 2/4 limit and I have played up to 5/10 Limit, but since I've taken such a long break from poker before grinding up a bankroll for 2/4 limit again I'm starting at very low levels so I can get back into the swing of things. Pick up some psychological books, "Inside the mind of poker" and try to get that new SNG book by 2 + 2 if you haven't gotten it yet. Can never read to many books and after a while getting sucked out you won't care b/c you are rolled properly and on top of that your thinking at a greater level.

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Do I quit forever because I can not handle it?

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Yes

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Emotions and the brain is a crazy thing...

The smartest, most intuitive people often become no better than an ape because of this...

Whats interesting is how little (or not at all) kids are taught the significane of how you think, what you think, and how MOST thoughts are just illusions based on fear, greed etc.

Anyways, I was in a similar predicament to you (i guess) and endulged myself into psychology,money,and life books....They truely did change my life and every day look back on the irony of how different my life wouldve been if I was taught the lessons from those books rather than being brainwashed by parents, teachers etc.

Anyways, I hope you succeed in your poker endeavors and I think with the proper mindset on how your mindset should be to suceed, you will succeed and I wish you great luck!

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Playing well is only half the game and I doubt you are doing that if you cant beat 1 dollar games. If you can't handle the swings you will never make it. Just give up on this pipe dream and do something that makes you happy. You should not start crying over losing 20 bucks. Good luck with whatever you choose to do.

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Playing well is only half the game and I doubt you are doing that if you cant beat 1 dollar games. If you can't handle the swings you will never make it. Just give up on this pipe dream and do something that makes you happy. You should not start crying over losing 20 bucks. Good luck with whatever you choose to do.

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Guess you didn't read. Losing $1 games and crying was months ago. I'm past that. I just play 25NL, $5-$20 SnGs, and MTTs.

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Do I quit forever because I can not handle it?

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Yes

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Yes.

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I will preface this by saying that I am not a minor, but can't buy lottery tickets (get it?.)

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OK. First. Yes, you are a minor. You need to look that up. Second, there's nothing wrong with you. Or at least nothing that a few years won't cure.

I'm going to tell you something that will sound counterintuitive, but is true: no one who wants to win money can be a successful poker player. See, money is not the goal, it's just a by-product of making good choices.

Life is just a series of choices. A kind of binary system.

Hey, you ever read Howard Lederer's story about hanging around a NYC poker room as a older teen-ager - he'd do odd jobs, run to the deli, clean up, get enough to sit in a game, go broke, do it again. Over and over.

Leave the money alone, I advise. Go to the library for the books. Learn your craft a little. Stop trying to win. Give yourself a break. You picked up the weight of the world and all you were supposed to carry was yourself.

You'll be ok.



-prax- "Patience is genius."

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Playing well is only half the game and I doubt you are doing that if you cant beat 1 dollar games. If you can't handle the swings you will never make it. Just give up on this pipe dream and do something that makes you happy. You should not start crying over losing 20 bucks. Good luck with whatever you choose to do.

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Guess you didn't read. Losing $1 games and crying was months ago. I'm past that. I just play 25NL, $5-$20 SnGs, and MTTs.

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Dude, you are in denial, and I promise you will be back to your own habits if you keep this up

The only thing that will work is having someone accountable to hold you to ONLY playing x game until you have y bankroll

Play only $5 SNGs up to $250, then mix in some $10's... et cetera

You already have shown that you tilt and cannot handle losing, and everyone who's mentioned it you get defensive with

I quit poker because of this after playing for 3 years and never ever being able to play within my roll because I wanted it to be a good side income so badly... then I'd lose playing in a $215 with my $1000 roll and get really emotional about it

LDO

I made like $10 bucks in freerolls this past week and was didicated to turning it into a roll... so I lost 4 consecutive $1 SNGs, and then put the rest on one blackjack hand because I'm impatien

Poker just IS NOT RIGHT for some people and you are making excuses for yourself

So stop playing ar start getting serious bankroll management help from someone that can kick your ass if you aren't keeping to it

If you are palying poker for the goal of only making money you will fail

That's it

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I just tried PMing him with advice and he said that he lost most of his roll but obviously has rakeback if he loses the rest of his roll again

It's not worth it man, I feel sorry for you, but you are going to have problems with this game

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I just tried PMing him with advice and he said that he lost most of his roll but obviously has rakeback if he loses the rest of his roll again

It's not worth it man, I feel sorry for you, but you are going to have problems with this game

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Many poker pros were told the same thing.

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Just normal variance. You are seriously under bankrolled. Stop crying. Concentrate on getting laid for the first time.

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I just tried PMing him with advice and he said that he lost most of his roll but obviously has rakeback if he loses the rest of his roll again

It's not worth it man, I feel sorry for you, but you are going to have problems with this game

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Many poker pros were told the same thing.

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But those same pros took advice rather than lashing out after they asked for the advice.

Oh yeah, and they don't cry when they lose $1 SNGs.

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i would stay away from poker... players who do well at poker are not the one's crying but the ones who are able to control their emotions and keep their game at 100%..

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i would stay away from poker... players who do well at poker are not the one's crying but the ones who are able to control their emotions and keep their game at 100%..

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What is all this focus on the crying? Matesow did it quite publicly, it's just a stress reaction complicated by hormones right now. "Control their emotions?" The guy with the most WSOP bracelets is infamous for lack of emotional control. For the luvva mike, none of us had much control at this age - he'll be fine -

And NO ONE is "keeping thier game at 100%." No......one. One of the things Greenstein said that really helped me stop being so hard on myself, was that he makes about 20 mistakes in his game per session. What we hope we learn is to recognize when we are playing at less-than-optimum and back away or regroup. That takes time and experience which the OP can't get unless he plays, studies and evolves.

The getting laid advice was good, too. Uh- recommend not crying during that, tho.' [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Crying over $1 SNG != Crying at WSOP

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is this a gimmick account?

if not, why create a post asking for help and then disagree with everything people tell you trying to help.

Going $10-&gt;$700-&gt;$0 isn't an accomplishment, you're still -$10 in the game of life.

If you're a winning player, then I don't know how you keep going on huge downswings playing $1 and $5 sit and goes?

Re-evaluate and focus on playing a game that you can beat. Confidence is important, but false-confidence driven by an ego is bad.

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1. I have $52, do I withdraw that and just take a break till I get $60 for rakeback in 2 weeks?

2. Do I quit forever because I can not handle it?

3. Play 10NL with $5 BIs like I had done previously?

4. Withdraw the money and rakeback money and get new video game system instead of Poker?

5. One last thing. I have nothing to do besides tennis, house work and a job 1 or 2 days a week (which is boring as hell.)

6. I do not like hanging out with the kids I do AT school OUTSIDE of school because I do not like drugs/alcohol because again I would feel like I let my parents down.

7. Keep my boredom in mind, because that is what helped lead me to my current state.


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1. Withdraw your money. Close your accounts. Don't play any games for money on line until and unless you don't have to say things like, "I asked my parents if..." Moreover, even if you were an emancipated minor bent on internet gambling, inadequate bankroll management is a master plan for bankrupcy. When and if you play, keep at least 10 (and preferably 20) times the buyin for the level you're playing for ring games.

2. No. But you need to quit while you live at home, go to school, and don't have enough of a bankroll on your own to fund the level you want to play. Wait at least until college.

3. No. You're too immature from the information in the OP to be playing online for money. Grow up a little. Get a job and an apartment. Or, better than that, go to college.

4. Sounds good. Or buy chips and a card table so you can set up some ring games and tourneys for your friends that prefer cards to drugs and alcohol. Play a ton of low stakes games with friends. Make it HORSE and have fun. But stay off the computer poker sites. At least live, you'll have some interaction with others. You sound like you can use it. But keep the stakes low.

5-7. Find some friends who don't do drugs and alcohol. Maybe a girlfiend. Get out of your own head.

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4. Sounds good. Or buy chips and a card table so you can set up some ring games and tourneys for your friends that prefer cards to drugs and alcohol. Play a ton of low stakes games with friends. Make it HORSE and have fun. But stay off the computer poker sites. At least live, you'll have some interaction with others. You sound like you can use it. But keep the stakes low.

5-7. Find some friends who don't do drugs and alcohol. Maybe a girlfiend. Get out of your own head.

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Last post actually was pretty good. Last two things I would like to comment on. You see, it is senior year of HS this year. Not making new friends now, plus I crushed everyone for two years and no one wants me to play. No one else plays either, excluding of course some drunken $1 game. Plus, when we played it was never at my house, cause I live away from everyone. Interaction makes me sound so damn desperate. I hang out with kids, just never ask others. I would rather be by myself to be honest, I feel more comfortable. I am not wanting to get a girl friend now as that would require liking to drink/smoke etc. basically at this point. Almost every kid in my class does drugs or drinks, girls and boys. Also, there are maybe 6 hot girls in my class (only 100 girls in my class) and I know for a damn fact that the hottest one would go at the least to a dance with me only because she asked. I told her I had something planned already. It was a 100 man live tourney, I was the only underage kid there. I would play poker, esp live, any day over dances that I am uncomfortable at and am bored as hell at. I got 2nd in that tourney for $300...Part of which I used to pay off a bet on what year Brock Huard was drafted. I DO appreciate the advice. I am starting to think that I de-value money too much at these low stakes. I played 200NL a few times with $40 stacks and did well for about 8 hours total. I eventually busted, part with a bad play and most of it losing to some jackass who called my all-in with a gutshot.

A few things I want to clarify. I USED to cry/even play $1 SnGs, that was months ago. The lowest ones I ever play are $5, and those are rare, mainly just cash games now. If I was rolled for 1/2 or even .50/1 I know I would do well. I value money more in $100 pots than in .96 cent ones. My emotions are controlled better at this time. I still have my moments, but I think we all do. One day months ago after bulding a BR from a freeroll to $50 and losing it I threw and shattered a scanner, smashed a mouse, and cursed to my parents (which I had like never done and really never do.) It always made me feel so much better (calm, relaxed-over it) if I threw things or broke things. Most I do now is a brief yell. No crying really, and def. no throwing. Thanks for all the advice and I look forward to reading more insightful replies.

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http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/118...5040170134.jpg

This picture accurately portrays

a) This thread
b) My attempt at putting sane thoughts into this boy's head
c) His future endeavors with poker

Good luck, sorry I cared man

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Quit playing on [censored] ultimate beat, that would be a start.