so gay wtf
 

Villian is play2kill or something. I have him at 15/7 over ~100 hands.

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($5919)
Hero ($11054.95)
BB ($10298)
UTG ($5322)
MP ($3050)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $175</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $600</font>, BB calls $550, Button folds.

Flop: ($1375) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $1200</font>, Hero calls $1200.

Turn: ($3775) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $3150</font>,

just fold? wtf?

Re: so gay wtf
 

Flop c/c ???? No likey.

Re: so gay wtf
 

push?

Re: so gay wtf
 

looks like a fold yes, if you don't estimate your chance of winning/freerolling here as bigger than I do vs a typical 15/7 in this spot. If you are behind both calling and pushing are really crap options obv.

If you think there's a fair chance he called pre with suited connectors and all pairs because it's 5 handed/button open/sb reraise/wide ranges/mucho respect on coldcall of reraise w tight image/over 200 bbs, then shove.

Re: so gay wtf
 

yeah fold man. played with p2k a few months back and you are noooo good for sure, he is not messing around. i'm almost positive he has QQQ here.

Re: so gay wtf
 

Don't think p2k normally runs 15/7. You have a small sample size. (ldo)

Re: so gay wtf
 

didnt see that you were deep...that changes things, but still fold.

p2k is not betting 3100 and then folding to a shove, no FE.

Re: so gay wtf
 

can you share your thoughts on why you check/called the flop? i'm not criticizing, i'm just curious on what your thought process was

Re: so gay wtf
 

p2k is no typical 15/7. Idk ur history but if it was me I'd push.

Re: so gay wtf
 

aite i guess nvm

Re: so gay wtf
 

[ QUOTE ]
p2k is no typical 15/7. Idk ur history but if it was me I'd push.

[/ QUOTE ]

agree

Re: so gay wtf
 

I'm guessing they have very little history if any. I would bet this flop just to make [censored] easier, as played I fold.

Re: so gay wtf
 

[ QUOTE ]
p2k is no typical 15/7. Idk ur history but if it was me I'd push.

[/ QUOTE ]

Re: so gay wtf
 

you guys are no fun. i wanted OP to accuse me of trolling for saying he should push, but now stinger, durr, and cts agree so that's not going to happen...

Re: so gay wtf
 

Get ze money in.

Re: so gay wtf
 

Is this still a push on an 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] turn? And what type of cold calling range do you think villain has?

Re: so gay wtf
 

[ QUOTE ]
Get ze money in.

[/ QUOTE ]

traitor?

Re: so gay wtf
 

[ QUOTE ]
you guys are no fun. i wanted OP to accuse me of trolling for saying he should push, but now stinger, durr, and cts agree so that's not going to happen...

[/ QUOTE ]

you sound like a lil girl

Re: so gay wtf
 

15/7? lol. i would usually just bet call the flop tho, its only 120 bb. cr flop is ok too i guess but not my fav. turn is a push cuz ur most likely hand looks like TT or JJ so he could be firing a lot here imo (he is quite aggro)

-Mike

Re: so gay wtf
 

[ QUOTE ]
15/7? lol. i would usually just bet call the flop tho, its only 120 bb. cr flop is ok too i guess but not my fav. turn is a push cuz ur most likely hand looks like TT or JJ so he could be firing a lot here imo (he is quite aggro)

-Mike

[/ QUOTE ]

it's 200bbs effective, villain has a little over 5k left after his bet, hero covers.

Re: so gay wtf
 

tbh when I first read this post I got stack sizes messed up and thought you were both &gt;$10k deep and I still wouldn't like folding, with $6k or w/e it's not even close.

I remember a month or so ago I played a $26k pot at 25/50 vs P2K my KQ vs his QJ where like 2500 went in pre and the rest on Q98 I think. He's really aggro, can get crazy, etc etc (but v good)

Re: so gay wtf
 

did all of you see that villain coldcalled the reraise from the big blind, and is the 10k stack in the BB, not the 6k stack on the button who folded preflop?

Still I guess if he's as tricky and aggressive as you guys say, stick it in on the turn np. he'll try to steal the pot w his entire range (how big is it here?) once you check flop.

Re: so gay wtf
 

p2k is a very strong player who is capable of getting (over)agressive preflop especially but every street really if he feels he can bet you off.

your original assesment is very off. I actually dont mind the flop c-c v much and would c-c again on turn.

Re: so gay wtf
 

stacks ARE 10k guys. over 200bb.

i didn't expect the preflop numbers to be right on him, but i said it was over 100 hands, i'm only giving you what i know. that really didn't factor into my decision at all (other than the fact i knew he wasn't a donk obv) and i think his cold calling range is still pretty defined (and i dont' think there's any reason it needs to not be defined).

Re: so gay wtf
 

if you call turn and brick river, your hand is pretty face up, and he sounds like the kind of guy who probably will shove anything. so, do you want to play for stacks with what you have?

Re: so gay wtf
 

[ QUOTE ]
if you call turn and brick river, your hand is pretty face up, and he sounds like the kind of guy who probably will shove anything. so, do you want to play for stacks with what you have?

[/ QUOTE ]

i'm pretty sure if i did continue with this hand, i'd like call turn/call river.

if i shove turn, i'm sure as hell not getting him off of worse, and i don't really have to protect my hand bc he's probably got 5 outs at best

Post deleted by Mat Sklansky
 

Re: so gay wtf
 

since BB coldcalls preflop he is on a set (likely queens) almost every time here! easy fold with 7 outs!

Re: so gay wtf
 

for all of those saying insta shove turn:

give me some sort of range besides 99+ AK that he flats out of the bb 200 deep? is it something other than 99+ AK? am i really supposed to then assume that he's turning JJ/TT into a bluff to get me to fold what I fairly obviously have?

Re: so gay wtf
 

Could you explain that a little bit further blueman?

Re: so gay wtf
 

i think if our plan is to get it in after we check the turn and he bets, then c/c turn and c/c any river is way better than check pushing another 100 bb

Re: so gay wtf
 

I would never fold here without a read - there's too much money in the pot. Given than, I probably push and hope for a freeroll vs. AK...

Re: so gay wtf
 

I like pushing here. I think your not behind that often, and even if you are you got at least 9 outs, maybe more..

Re: so gay wtf
 

[ QUOTE ]
i think if our plan is to get it in after we check the turn and he bets, then c/c turn and c/c any river is way better than check pushing another 100 bb

[/ QUOTE ]

agreed, i think c/r shoving turn is completely insane

Re: so gay wtf
 

[ QUOTE ]
I would never fold here without a read - there's too much money in the pot. Given than, I probably push and hope for a freeroll vs. AK...

[/ QUOTE ]

so if its a big pot you never fold anything rite?

Re: so gay wtf
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I would never fold here without a read - there's too much money in the pot. Given than, I probably push and hope for a freeroll vs. AK...

[/ QUOTE ]

so if its a big pot you never fold anything rite?

[/ QUOTE ]

w/out a decent read, then that's true [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] (assuming stacks aren't super deep compared to the pot)

Re: so gay wtf
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
i think if our plan is to get it in after we check the turn and he bets, then c/c turn and c/c any river is way better than check pushing another 100 bb

[/ QUOTE ]

agreed, i think c/r shoving turn is completely insane

[/ QUOTE ]