$114: KK flops an ace
 

Pretty sure villain sucks...

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No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t75/t150
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: t2590
Hero: t1615
Button: t3285
SB: t2340
BB: t3670

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t375</font>, Button calls t375 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t600)</font>, 2 folds.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t975, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets t450</font>, Hero?

Re: $114: KK flops an ace
 

pre-flop raise should be at least 500...
now as played fold..

Re: $114: KK flops an ace
 

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pre-flop raise should be at least 500...

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Thanks.

Re: $114: KK flops an ace
 

I hate this spot. Push PF avoids this situation but obv you get less value if no action

As played, I think you need to fold. At lower levels sucky villains often have A/3+ and never let it go. I don't play at this level so my advice goes under the assumption that sucky villain suckiness is static across all buy-ins.

Re: $114: KK flops an ace
 

Ugh, I would usually just push pf (you are right around 10 bbs). As played, I think a check-fold is ok. He can't really be betting a draw, so I guess on that board he has an A too often to continue.

Re: $114: KK flops an ace
 

Disclaimer: I've only played as high as the $22s ...

I'm either pushing pre flop or raising the 375 that you did if your intention is to get the chips in the middle on a non-ace flop ... If villian sucks the same as the levels I've played, and calls with nearly any ace as the previous poster stated, the 375 raise gives you SOME room to fold if an ace falls on the flop (although I'm not folding there 100% of the time - it'll depend on the read on the villian) ... I think raising to 500, as stated earlier, leaves you too short ... I'd leans towards just pushing pre flop, though ...

Re: $114: KK flops an ace
 

Preflop is incredibly standard.
As played call flop.
Check turn.

Re: $114: KK flops an ace
 

guess you have to start with some type of calling range. lets assume TT AK and AQ reraise preflop.

77(6 combinations)
88 (6 combinations)
99 (3 combos becasue 9 on board)
AJ 12 combos
AT 12 combos
KQ 8 combos
KJ 8 combos
QJs 4 combos

so you are ahead of 32 combos and behind 27. of couruse adjust for whatever you think his range is. you have 1240 behind and pot is 975, so odds are about right. i think i want to get them in in this spot, especially vs a bad player that will donate some chips with 88.

villian should be drawing to just a couple of outs so i like check/call check/call or check/call lead turn if scary.

i usually open for just a bit more in this spot (400) just to committ myself postflop. a few unknown bad players will never notice. warning - nit alert.

Re: $114: KK flops an ace
 

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Preflop is incredibly standard.
As played call flop.
Check turn.

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Aren't we pretty much committed if we call the flop (only 790 left)?

Re: $114: KK flops an ace
 

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Preflop is incredibly standard.
As played call flop.
Check turn.

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Aren't we pretty much committed if we call the flop (only 790 left)?

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i dont think a turn bet does anything for you. it is a wa/wb. let him bet his 88.

Re: $114: KK flops an ace
 

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Preflop is incredibly standard.
As played call flop.
Check turn.

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Aren't we pretty much committed if we call the flop (only 790 left)?

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i dont think a turn bet does anything for you. it is a wa/wb. let him bet his 88.

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So we're thinking he doesn't have the ace enough so we'll call down?

Re: $114: KK flops an ace
 

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Preflop is incredibly standard.
As played call flop.
Check turn.

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Aren't we pretty much committed if we call the flop (only 790 left)?

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i dont think a turn bet does anything for you. it is a wa/wb. let him bet his 88.

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So we're thinking he doesn't have the ace enough so we'll call down?

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i'm not sure if that is what pudge is thinking.

i am going to call down here. i think odds are about right and betting will just get him to fold worse hands. board is really really dry.

Re: $114: KK flops an ace
 

This totally depends how bad he sucks/how aggressive he is. If he's aggro and real bad, c/c the whole way. It's kind of one of those questions where I'd need to be in the game but there are certain opponents I'd definitely do this against.

Ryan

Re: $114: KK flops an ace
 

I can't ever see folding. I'd probably just call him down regardless.

Re: $114: KK flops an ace
 

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pre-flop raise should be at least 500...
now as played fold..

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If you are going to raise away 1/3 of ur stack you may as well shove. Which I think I would do with like 11 BB's but I don't know if ppl at 114's call with any two broad way or Ax

Re: $114: KK flops an ace
 

Shoving preflop loses a ton of value.

If he has a low aggro factor I'd probably just fold. The board has no draws so unless he's on a pure bluff we are way behind. Vs more aggro opponents I think you need to c/c down.

Re: $114: KK flops an ace
 

Shoving preflop is ok against strong thinking players. Doing it against a bad loose opponent is criminal.

Ryan