fossilman Greg Raymer is 15th in the sunday mill
 

with only 78 to go he has a decent chance to FT and even win this thing. Also I noticed that I cant even see his avatar now I wonder if he turned it off or something.

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Pfft, my boy Zutzman (GO ITH!) is in 4th out of 60. He'll last longer then fossilman....cuz he has noone gunning for him.

T

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PokerStars Game #11210862478: Tournament #56058775, $500+$30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XXII (10000/20000) - 2007/07/30 - 00:18:27 (ET)
Table '56058775 89' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: thewh00sel (393643 in chips)
Seat 2: bodog4life (687638 in chips)
Seat 3: cantbeat (689779 in chips)
Seat 4: VuaXi`Tô' (828323 in chips)
Seat 5: Asprin1 (597963 in chips)
Seat 6: margy (138360 in chips)
Seat 7: sacker (670629 in chips)
Seat 8: FossilMan (450875 in chips)
Seat 9: Dsavo (520681 in chips)
thewh00sel: posts the ante 2000
bodog4life: posts the ante 2000
cantbeat: posts the ante 2000
VuaXi`Tô': posts the ante 2000
Asprin1: posts the ante 2000
margy: posts the ante 2000
sacker: posts the ante 2000
FossilMan: posts the ante 2000
Dsavo: posts the ante 2000
Dsavo: posts small blind 10000
thewh00sel: posts big blind 20000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
bodog4life: folds
cantbeat: folds
VuaXi`Tô': folds
FossilMan said, "yes, I graduated from Parkway S."
Asprin1: folds
margy: folds
sacker: folds
FossilMan: raises 34000 to 54000
Dsavo: folds
thewh00sel: raises 337643 to 391643 and is all-in
FossilMan: calls 337643
*** FLOP *** [Jd 2d 6h]
*** TURN *** [Jd 2d 6h] [Kd]
*** RIVER *** [Jd 2d 6h Kd] [Kc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
thewh00sel: shows [Qs Tc] (a pair of Kings)
FossilMan: shows [9h 9d] (two pair, Kings and Nines)
thewh00sel said, "gg"
FossilMan said, "whew"
FossilMan collected 811286 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 811286 | Rake 0
Board [Jd 2d 6h Kd Kc]
Seat 1: thewh00sel (big blind) showed [Qs Tc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: bodog4life folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: cantbeat folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: VuaXi`Tô' folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Asprin1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: margy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: sacker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: FossilMan (button) showed [9h 9d] and won (811286) with two pair, Kings and Nines
Seat 9: Dsavo (small blind) folded before Flop

Re: fossilman Greg Raymer is 15th in the sunday mill
 

FossilMan: I think Chris Moneymaker is a VERY good poker player

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FossilMan: I think Chris Moneymaker is a VERY good poker player

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what, you expect him to admit moneymaker sucks?

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for all the [censored] he takes, moneymaker has the best sharkscope stats

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for all the [censored] he takes, moneymaker has the best sharkscope stats

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out of who? pros? serious question

Re: fossilman Greg Raymer is 15th in the sunday mill
 

knocked out by the river. ak vs. tt and a k hit on the river. good call by him though.

Re: fossilman Greg Raymer is 15th in the sunday mill
 

not a good call by him at all...then again tournament poker = flipping coins so maybe it was

Re: fossilman Greg Raymer is 15th in the sunday mill
 

he explained it in the chat afterwards. I thought it was a pretty good explanation.

Re: fossilman Greg Raymer is 15th in the sunday mill
 

of the pokerstars pro's, at least the ex-champs, he has the best sharkscope numbers

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knocked out by the river. ak vs. tt and a k hit on the river. good call by him though.

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it's rare to hear fossilman getting knocked out cause he played bad..pretty solid imho

Re: fossilman Greg Raymer is 15th in the sunday mill
 

ep guy who is somewhat short and clearly desperate to regain his chips (he was first guy with over 1M, now has <300K), raises. next few fold, and big stack quickly shoves all-in. Clearly he wants to isolate the short-stack desperate player. I put him on hands such as big unpaired cards and medium pairs. AA and KK very unlikely, almost impossible. QQ unlikely but not impossible, even JJ not that likely. If you give him 66-JJ and all overcard combos to my TT, I am 60:40 favorite. If you remove JJ and TT from his range, I am almost 2:1. If I call all-in here, I am going to be getting better than 800K payoff on my 700K stack.

8-7 pay as 60:40 favorite sounds pretty good to me, even when we're down to 5 tables and survival has it's merits. It's an edge of almost 30%, so even at this stage, I can't see turning down the opportunity.

The only way folding is correct is if my assignment of a range of hands to the opponent is way off, and he could have all the overpairs, and few of the underpairs. Even if we assume he could have all of the overpairs, and only 99 as a possible underpair, I am a small favorite. And still getting paid 8-7.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

Re: fossilman Greg Raymer is 15th in the sunday mill
 

what was worse: that k on the river or the old lady screaming "i got a strait!!!!" at the wsop?

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i think the "and three hearts" part after she yelled about the straight was worse.

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for all the [censored] he takes, moneymaker has the best sharkscope stats

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orly
Games Av. Profit Av. Stake Av. ROI Profit
FossilMan 148 -$190 $754 -5% -$28,176
Money800 378 -$7 $382 0% -$2,638

if by one of the best u mean better than fossilman ok. but neither of these guys are winning players in sngs.

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for all the [censored] he takes, moneymaker has the best sharkscope stats

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orly
Games Av. Profit Av. Stake Av. ROI Profit
FossilMan 148 -$190 $754 -5% -$28,176
Money800 378 -$7 $382 0% -$2,638

if by one of the best u mean better than fossilman ok. but neither of these guys are winning players in sngs.

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methinks u got leveled

Re: fossilman Greg Raymer is 15th in the sunday mill
 

This thread just proves why Greg Raymer is my favorite former champ.

What a stud to answer us loser critics!

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Yeah, he did a hell of a job talking to as many raildonks as possible... honestly, you've gotta respect that.

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for all the [censored] he takes, moneymaker has the best sharkscope stats

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orly
Games Av. Profit Av. Stake Av. ROI Profit
FossilMan 148 -$190 $754 -5% -$28,176
Money800 378 -$7 $382 0% -$2,638

if by one of the best u mean better than fossilman ok. but neither of these guys are winning players in sngs.

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VN Sample size, you can definitely tell who is a winning player after that many games no question.

As for the hand Im not looking at it too close may not be super standard(it may be superstandard but Im not paying much attn) but its certainly not spew, two tens + sunday million + fewer than 3 raises in front of you = profit

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I don't know the hand in question. I play mostly cash games, but are you really doing all this analysis in your head during the hand or are you simply thinking, "My 10's are the best here?" Then after the hand you perform an analysis and see that you're right in thinking that your tens are best?

Re: fossilman Greg Raymer is 15th in the sunday mill
 

I think most of Greg's loses in his SS stats are from when his account got hacked.

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for all the [censored] he takes, moneymaker has the best sharkscope stats

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No he doesn't, McEvoy does. And McEvoy plays the best out of all the "name pros" in sit and gos.

Ryan

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I don't know the hand in question. I play mostly cash games, but are you really doing all this analysis in your head during the hand or are you simply thinking, "My 10's are the best here?" Then after the hand you perform an analysis and see that you're right in thinking that your tens are best?

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Do you not think before acting in cash games or something?

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This thread just proves why Greg Raymer is my favorite former champ.

What a stud to answer us loser critics!

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Re: fossilman Greg Raymer is 15th in the sunday mill
 

it's awesome you took the time to come in here and give us your thinking greg

a gentleman as always

Re: fossilman Greg Raymer is 15th in the sunday mill
 

Greg Raymer once told me I needed to get laid.

True story.

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for all the [censored] he takes, moneymaker has the best sharkscope stats

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orly
Games Av. Profit Av. Stake Av. ROI Profit
FossilMan 148 -$190 $754 -5% -$28,176
Money800 378 -$7 $382 0% -$2,638

if by one of the best u mean better than fossilman ok. but neither of these guys are winning players in sngs.

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Yeah, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

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Pfft, my boy Zutzman (GO ITH!) is in 4th out of 60. He'll last longer then fossilman....cuz he has noone gunning for him.

T

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Can you say FIRST PLACE for my boy?? Should've taken wagers.

T

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I don't know the hand in question. I play mostly cash games, but are you really doing all this analysis in your head during the hand or are you simply thinking, "My 10's are the best here?" Then after the hand you perform an analysis and see that you're right in thinking that your tens are best?

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I ran the numbers on PokerStove after the hand, but I've run hands like this so many times that I have a good feel for the numbers, and my mental estimate at the table is usually pretty close. So, I don't have exact numbers at the table, but I am doing the analysis at the table with an estimate.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

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I think most of Greg's loses in his SS stats are from when his account got hacked.

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Yes.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

Re: fossilman Greg Raymer is 15th in the sunday mill
 

Just curious, what place did fossilman end up taking?

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I don't know the hand in question. I play mostly cash games, but are you really doing all this analysis in your head during the hand or are you simply thinking, "My 10's are the best here?" Then after the hand you perform an analysis and see that you're right in thinking that your tens are best?

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I ran the numbers on PokerStove after the hand, but I've run hands like this so many times that I have a good feel for the numbers, and my mental estimate at the table is usually pretty close. So, I don't have exact numbers at the table, but I am doing the analysis at the table with an estimate.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

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This is how you learn to attack hands like this. As someone who has played a bunch of SNGs, I have no idea that pushing my Q8 is a +1.2% push, but I've played so many hands and bubble situations, that intuitively I feel that pushing is the correct play. I'm wrong on occasion, but I'm sure this is how Greg plays.

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Greg Finished 42nd, behind Kanter who fininshed 31
Both received 4531.50.

Well done Greg that will buy a lot of fossils.

So Greg do you wear the Glasses when playing online ?

Re: fossilman Greg Raymer is 15th in the sunday mill
 

Well done, Greg.

Really appreciate your ready willingness to share your decision-making process & thinking.

Good Luck.

Re: fossilman Greg Raymer is 15th in the sunday mill
 

The tournament chips all-in call with TT may be slightly +EV but I doubt it is +EV in real money terms. Anyway this is NVG so I'll shut up.

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Greg Raymer once told me I needed to get laid.

True story.

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Greg seems to be really good at giving advice that stands the test of time.

<font color="white"> It's not a very good zing since I am pretty sure you were fishing for that sort of response </font>

Re: fossilman Greg Raymer is 15th in the sunday mill
 

Who cares?

Re: fossilman Greg Raymer is 15th in the sunday mill
 

Good player!

Re: fossilman Greg Raymer is 15th in the sunday mill
 

All this only for the 15 place! [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]