Impossible Spot in the Sunday Mill 530
 

http://www.pokerhand.org/?1313205

No real reads on the villain, he was not extremely active over the 25 hands I played with him.

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lol you have to put it in you already put in 12k, if he has you he has you

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Yeah but his range for min raising the river here matters, can't be that wide at all.

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no but why are you gonna fold when you put in 70% of stack.

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A wise man once said...

Time to take your medicine

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So based on your logic, I should call here with 44 too right?

I'm not saying that it's a fold. I just want a response thats a little more complex than how much I have invested in the pot, because I am familiar with the odds I was getting to call here.

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I guess I'm confused at what you are looking for then. YOur check on the turn induces this play. More often than not hes got a set here...I don't know how much more complex you want to go? If you're afraid of the set, why lead the river?

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he got cr-ed on the river, thats a big difference.

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The minraise is a CRAI. I'll admit that I've clicked minraise instead of moving the slider out of laziness when the stacks are like this.

I'm wondering why he's so comfortable checking the river after the ck-ck turn.

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I think INSG is over-analyzing the situation, i dont see him checking a boat on the river unless hes got a good read on you and knows you have KK-AA.

But before leading for 7k you have to make your mind up that you're going all the way regardless of what he does.

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i contend that there is no such thing as an impossible spot in the sunday million

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INSG--

I think that people who would be getting this brand of tricky with a hand that beats KK are many of the same people who would make a very small bet on the river with it.

This is gross, but I've seen this play with all sorts of hands that KK beats--every once in a while even no-pair hands--and especially because the river improved a chunk of hands that still lose to you, I think you have to call.

If I had to put a number on it, I'd say you're ahead 31% of the time.

--Nate

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So based on your logic, I should call here with 44 too right?

I'm not saying that it's a fold. I just want a response thats a little more complex than how much I have invested in the pot, because I am familiar with the odds I was getting to call here.

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No, b/c this hand was played in a very strange fashion. Without a strong read, it is tough to understand why someone with three 8s or better would go for a C/R here. So, there is a very real chance that this was just a horribly played hand by Rcole. Given that chance, there is no reason to think that he isn't bluffing a made hand. I think it is a mistake to fold a very good hand, when we have committed 70% of our stack, and we can't figure out why our opponent just made a strange bet.

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i wonder if there's any chance that rcole has a hand like ace queen here and is c/ring the river for value here.

i mean, when you put his range out there, you pretty much have to call.

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i read all the responses before reading the hand, and lol call wtf

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This is a clear call IMO. Your hand is under repped you could even argue.

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Lol you have to call. He could be doing this with a Q and being stupid, the fact is you put in soooooooooooo much chips with a hand that beats a decent range. Just stick it in.

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callcallcall

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Call and be sad when you see the 8. Or QQ. I like this river raise, especially since everyone seems to live in valuetown now.

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I think you have to call this. This looks like an opportunity CR bluff to me. Surely, if they actually had a hand that beat you, they would have to bet the river for value, after you checked behind on the turn. They can't count on you betting after they check the river, so they would be losing too much value if you checked behind again.

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Does any body think that OP should have checked the river? My gut feeling is that at best, you are getting a call from a hand like AQ and that's too thin.

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INSG--

I think that people who would be getting this brand of tricky with a hand that beats KK are many of the same people who would make a very small bet on the river with it.

This is gross, but I've seen this play with all sorts of hands that KK beats--every once in a while even no-pair hands--and especially because the river improved a chunk of hands that still lose to you, I think you have to call.

If I had to put a number on it, I'd say you're ahead 31% of the time.

--Nate

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How did you come up with the 31% number?

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Does any body think that OP should have checked the river? My gut feeling is that at best, you are getting a call from a hand like AQ and that's too thin.

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Checking the river is pretty terrible, IMO. I'm betting less though. Probably 4500 and calling a push.

Also, as played, this is a call. It seems to me like he is saying one of two things. Either he thinks you have absolutely nothing and is bluffing or he thinks his Q is good. Your hand looks pretty weak, especially with the big bet on the river.

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Does any body think that OP should have checked the river? My gut feeling is that at best, you are getting a call from a hand like AQ and that's too thin.

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no way, villain checked turn (hero checked behind), then checked river