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1. WTF is with DVD's with subtitles that don't fit on the screen? Yesterday I watched "Letters from Iwo Jima" and yet again this was an issue. It seems like 90% or more can't get this right.

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2. Watching "HD" shows/movies on Universal HD or TNT that aren't in widescreen but get stretched to fit the widescreen broadcast. X-Files or Northern Exposure, for example. I even saw Contact on TNTHD but it was obviously distorted.

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In regards to #2, you know you can change that setting right?

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i only watch widescreen movies and i always put subtitles on (unless i'm watching with some lame friend) and yet i have no idea what you are talking about in #1. which is surprising because you provided an illustrative picture.

in fact, i have seen letters from iwo jima with subtitles and i had no such problems.

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I think your TV is set up poorly.

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Turn your Zoom off.

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#1. Widescreen is 16:9, no? Most films are shot in 2.35:1 or so.

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Not the format, mang.

Press buttons on your remote for a while, it'll get better.

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LOL at people who can't work their TV's.

Though my GF's parents bought some fancy 16:9 TV but they don't get an HD signal and they watch everything in some horrible stretch mode and it just looks so godawful so I guess you can do worse than OP.

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LOL at people who can't work their TV's.

Though my GF's parents bought some fancy 16:9 TV but they don't get an HD signal and they watch everything in some horrible stretch mode and it just looks so godawful so I guess you can do worse than OP.

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people that do this cannot be helped.

i initially though they didn't know you could switch the setting so i switched it off widescreen so it wasn't stretching and they were like "what'd you do!!! now the screen is smaller!!"

(mind you, this tv is like 70 inches.)

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1 thing that bothers me:

people who dont bother to try to fix a problem but assume it cannot be fixed.

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Pan & Scan movie edits make me want to kick a puppy.

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LOL at people who can't work their TV's.

Though my GF's parents bought some fancy 16:9 TV but they don't get an HD signal and they watch everything in some horrible stretch mode and it just looks so godawful so I guess you can do worse than OP.

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people that do this cannot be helped.

i initially though they didn't know you could switch the setting so i switched it off widescreen so it wasn't stretching and they were like "what'd you do!!! now the screen is smaller!!"

(mind you, this tv is like 70 inches.)

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So you prefer elliptical shaped breasts? Retarded.

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I am pretty sure your TV is the issue here. Most likely you do not know how to configure it.

The reason wide screen is better is; you get to see more of the picture, meaning if you are watching in 4:3, the sides of the movie are getting cut off.

Ben HUr was shot in 2.76:1. If you watch it in 4:3, you would be leaving so much out it would be sick.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ariot_race.jpg

Most likely you would only see the horse, possibly even the outside horses would be cut off.

So if you really like movies, and cinematography, you should always watching 16:9 as a minimum. If there are better ratios, go for them.

Anyway, post an a audio video forum to find out how to configure your TV.

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Your HDTV has multiple viewing options for the screen. Zoom is one of them. Just fiddle with those and it might work. Maybe by a long shot setting the resolution from 1080 to 720 might work (like I said, long shot).

Another thing about HD. DirecTV talks about 100 full HD channels this fall. What they fail to tell you a majority is non-HD content (from shows from previous years) so they are simply up-converted for HD. There is still not a lot quality HD content on public TV (outside sports)

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I don't think you guys are understanding the problem.

1. I have no trouble fiddling with the remote to get all of the subtitles to display. However, doing so distorts the picture.

2. The broadcast is in 16:9 format because it's a HD channel. They took the standard box format and stretched it to fit the widescreen, then broadcast it that way. You think that X-Files and Northern Exposure were recorded in wide-sceen HD format? LOL.

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I've never seen problem one, but I suspect that something is wrong on your end.

Number two is pretty easily fixed by switching your tv to 4:3 or whatever it is.

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Number two is pretty easily fixed by switching your tv to 4:3 or whatever it is.

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So then it's not really HD and it's not 16:9 format so why would they put this crap on a HD channel and tout it as being HD? Why would I want to watch Contact in 4:3 aspect on a HD channel when it should be 16:9?

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Number two is pretty easily fixed by switching your tv to 4:3 or whatever it is.

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So then it's not really HD and it's not 16:9 format so why would they put this crap on a HD channel and tout it as being HD? Why would I want to watch Contact in 4:3 aspect on a HD channel when it should be 16:9?

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It's never been HD and it never will be. Stretching it to fit doesn't make it HD. it wasn't recorded in 16:9 so you can't watch it in 16:9.




Why do you think they tout it as being HD?

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Find out how to adjust the overscan on your set. Overscan hides the extreme hard edges of the picture sometimes along with timers and other info that nobody wants to see. About 1-2% overscan is good. Your set is probably adjusted to around 10-15% if it is chopping off the subtitles.

It will not be a remote setting. You will have to get into the service mode of your tv (usually by pressing a series of random remote buttons - look online for your code). Sometimes HD mode overscan is different than regular 4:3 mode overscan so you might have 2 settings. Make sure you know what you are adjusting in there though because you can ruin your tv if you adjust random stuff.

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Also note that your cable box may be forcing the output into a certain format, not just your TV.

It could go like this:

Source (4:3) -> Cable box ( converts to 16:9 ) -> TV (whatever you set it at)

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Ok I wanted to clarify what I meant with the chopped off subtitles. Sorry about the poor picture quality but it should be good enough to get my point across. Notice how I have to distort the image in order to see the full subtitles.

Here is a picture of default, non-subtitle display:
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/5...ures002bg6.jpg

Here is a picture with subtitles turned on:
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/9...ures001lj7.jpg

Here is a picture of my picture adjusted so I can see the full subtitles:
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/3...ures003uc5.jpg

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Yea I think you have a zoom on. Mess with the settings.

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The bottom picture looks like it should. I'm guessing you are normally using some zoom thing so that the movie fills the screen but ends up looking distorted. My parents do this and its terrible.

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Number two is pretty easily fixed by switching your tv to 4:3 or whatever it is.

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So then it's not really HD and it's not 16:9 format so why would they put this crap on a HD channel and tout it as being HD? Why would I want to watch Contact in 4:3 aspect on a HD channel when it should be 16:9?

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It's never been HD and it never will be. Stretching it to fit doesn't make it HD. it wasn't recorded in 16:9 so you can't watch it in 16:9.

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Um no...almost every movie is filmed either in 16:9 or 2.35:1...at least movies that are past the 1940s/50s. The OPs issue is a TNTHD one, not a TV issue. They broadcast things that should be in HD in 4:3 and then "stretch" the picture for the 16:9 channel.

Yes if you hardcode your TV for 4:3 it will fix the problem, but the issue is TNTHD. They need to letterbox their non-HD content like every other station does, not stretch it. Or perhaps they should just stop showing converted 2.35:1 or 16:9 movies in 4:3 pan-and-scan mode stretched to 16:9 on their HD channel. If you get TNTHD check it out. It's a really poor HD channel imo.

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Number two is pretty easily fixed by switching your tv to 4:3 or whatever it is.

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So then it's not really HD and it's not 16:9 format so why would they put this crap on a HD channel and tout it as being HD? Why would I want to watch Contact in 4:3 aspect on a HD channel when it should be 16:9?

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It's never been HD and it never will be. Stretching it to fit doesn't make it HD. it wasn't recorded in 16:9 so you can't watch it in 16:9.

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Um no...almost every movie is filmed either in 16:9 or 2.35:1...at least movies that are past the 1940s/50s. The OPs issue is a TNTHD one, not a TV issue. They broadcast things that should be in HD in 4:3 and then "stretch" the picture for the 16:9 channel.

Yes if you hardcode your TV for 4:3 it will fix the problem, but the issue is TNTHD. They need to letterbox their non-HD content like every other station does, not stretch it. Or perhaps they should just stop showing converted 2.35:1 or 16:9 movies in 4:3 pan-and-scan mode stretched to 16:9 on their HD channel. If you get TNTHD check it out. It's a really poor HD channel imo.

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um you missed the point entirely.

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Ok I wanted to clarify what I meant with the chopped off subtitles. Sorry about the poor picture quality but it should be good enough to get my point across. Notice how I have to distort the image in order to see the full subtitles.

Here is a picture of default, non-subtitle display:
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/5...ures002bg6.jpg

Here is a picture with subtitles turned on:
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/9...ures001lj7.jpg

Here is a picture of my picture adjusted so I can see the full subtitles:
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the third image is how your TV and the picture is supposed to look.

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Um no...almost every movie is filmed either in 16:9 or 2.35:1...at least movies that are past the 1940s/50s. The OPs issue is a TNTHD one, not a TV issue. They broadcast things that should be in HD in 4:3 and then "stretch" the picture for the 16:9 channel.

Yes if you hardcode your TV for 4:3 it will fix the problem, but the issue is TNTHD. They need to letterbox their non-HD content like every other station does, not stretch it. Or perhaps they should just stop showing converted 2.35:1 or 16:9 movies in 4:3 pan-and-scan mode stretched to 16:9 on their HD channel. If you get TNTHD check it out. It's a really poor HD channel imo.

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TNT HD makes me want to hit someone. Well over half their "HD" movies are the 4:3 edited versions that they stretch, ridiculous - they could just broadcast the freaking DVD and it'd look better. Also every single commercial is stretched 4:3, grr. Their broadcast quality on real HD movies doesn't seem very good either compared to other channels, I think their equipment is just terrible. Not to mention all the commercials.

There is a reason to watch 4:3 content on an HD channel however (unstretched please!) - the HD channels have significantly more bandwidth than the SD channel on most cable/satellite systems. Stuff like Simpsons & Family guy look a lot better on the Fox HD channel than the SD because of this.

And to people saying "if the original broadcast wasn't HD, it can't be made into HD" are wrong in most cases. The vast majority of quality, non-live television shows and pretty much all movies are shot on film. To make a broadcast or DVD, they scan this film. Since Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, they release HD versions by re-scanning the original film at a much higher resolution than SDTV or DVD.

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what movie is this BTW? Is it good?

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you understand how to solve the problem. what you don't understand is that movies are shot in different aspect ratios. most movies are shot in either 16:9 or 2.35:1. tv shows are shot in either 4:3 or 16:9.

Now, 4:3 is the shape of old school tv's. so if you are watching a show that was shot in 4:3 on a widescreen tv (which has a screen that fits a 16:9 aspect ratio) there will be black bars on the left and right side when you are displaying it properly.

if you are watching a tv show or movie shot in 16:9 it should fill the widescreen tv completely.

if you are watching a movie shot in 2.35:1 then there will be black bars at the top and bottom of the screen. When you can't see the subtitles it is because you are zooming in on a 2.35:1 movie. you not only miss the subtitles which appear in the black bar, but you distort the movie and/or chop off the left and right edges.

not all tv shows and movies are going to fill a 16:9 screen. it doesn't work that way.

as for the HD channels, some of them do screwy things. and as other posters have mentioned, it's only HD if it was shot in HD. otherwise they're just sticking old crap on an HD channel.

my dad never changes our tv out of wide screen mode and is always watching 4:3 shows stretched to fit 16:9. i don't understand how he can do that. The picture looks terrible.

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The Host, and no.

My TV defaults to a certain setting when I show DVD's. Some movies do show on that setting with bars on top and bottom, some do not. I always assumed that some movies on DVD were put in 16:9 format and some were not. Is that not the case, and my TV is magically stretching some movies and not others on the same setting? That doesn't make sense to me.

I just read the manual for my TV and, correct me if I'm wrong, this is how I percieve it to work:

The DVD output is in 4:3 format, with appropriate letterboxing depending on the movie. My TV stretches that format depending on what setting I have it on. Now on a movie with subtitles, there is plenty of blackspace in a 4:3 format for the subtitles. However, if I stretch the picture to fit the TV without distortion, the subtitles get chopped off since they are partially in the blackspace of the 4:3 format that got eliminated. So in order to see the subtitles I have to use a setting that stretches the picture wider so that part of the blackspace is still visible. This results in a distorted (horizontally stretched) picture in order to be able to see the subtitles.

That is my complaint.

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There is not a chance the third image is how the movie is supposed to look. Look at the backboard in the top right hand corner.

gisborne, it could be a setting on your dvd player. Check the dvd system menu and see if you can find what the output is sent out as. It could be set to output at 4:3 instead of 16:9.

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Number two is pretty easily fixed by switching your tv to 4:3 or whatever it is.

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So then it's not really HD and it's not 16:9 format so why would they put this crap on a HD channel and tout it as being HD? Why would I want to watch Contact in 4:3 aspect on a HD channel when it should be 16:9?

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It's never been HD and it never will be. Stretching it to fit doesn't make it HD. it wasn't recorded in 16:9 so you can't watch it in 16:9.

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Um no...almost every movie is filmed either in 16:9 or 2.35:1...at least movies that are past the 1940s/50s. The OPs issue is a TNTHD one, not a TV issue. They broadcast things that should be in HD in 4:3 and then "stretch" the picture for the 16:9 channel.

Yes if you hardcode your TV for 4:3 it will fix the problem, but the issue is TNTHD. They need to letterbox their non-HD content like every other station does, not stretch it. Or perhaps they should just stop showing converted 2.35:1 or 16:9 movies in 4:3 pan-and-scan mode stretched to 16:9 on their HD channel. If you get TNTHD check it out. It's a really poor HD channel imo.

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um you missed the point entirely.

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I didn't miss the point - you are just incorrect. The movie was recorded in widescreen format and broadcasted BY the station in pan and scan format. The movie was most certainly filmed in widescreen and simply parsed into the format by the station. So saying it "will never be HD" is incorrect. Yes, stretching a 4:3 format dosen't make it HD, but just because the station butchered the broadcast doesn't mean it will "never be in HD."

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ur tv is fine

use pic 3 setting

u SHOULD see bars on top/bottom when watching widescreen dvds because ur tv is 16:9 (1.78:1) but movies are all diff ratios, such as 2.35:1

so u should have bars at top and bottom; the wider the movie's ratio, the bigger the bars...some movies will only be in the middle half or even less of the screen, while others will fill most of it up

spiderman: 1.85:1 -> most of screen filled with pic; small bars on top/bottom

X2: 2.4:1 -> less of screen filled with pic; larger bars on top/bottom

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if all movies are shot in such a way that they fll 100% of a movie theatre screen, why can't they all be formatted the same on DVD?